Right now? 15. Not Dempsey though. Don´t knwo what to make of the list though. I like the system behind it but the result is a bit ... well, interesting.
i could only think of 5 or so who i think would beat him for sure. ali................any time anywhere lennox lewis..........9/10 larry holmes and after these i'm struggling..........maybe george foreman and maybe joe louis
I guess, he would beat quite a few that are above him, actually he blew out one of them two times. But yeah, Liston is in with a chance against most. Ali, Louis, Holmes, Lewis I´m pretty confident would beat him. But there are others with a good chance in there like Tyson, Holyfield, Foreman, Wlad, Charles, Walcott, Bowe. I´d like to throw in Jeffries and Johnson too but they another era and I don´t think it makes sense to do this.
No, not really. Frazier had already proven himself against the best, he had defeated Ali. Patterson had maybe two good names on his record, and there weren't as great as Ali - an old Archie Moore, the light-heavyweight champ, and Ingemar Johanssson, who also brutalized him. Patterson had barely won the Ingo trilogy, and perhaps if Johansson had been a dedicated champion (and not a party animal) he would have brutally KO'd Patterson twice.
Not again. Moore would go on to reign another 10 years at lhw, has a hw resume that´s good enough to be in consideration for Top20 and was at the time the highest ranked hw not named Patterson. Try to discredit this win all you want it´s a great one. Johannson got him once, so? Johannson is amongst the Top100 p4p punchers according to the ring magazine. No shame in that. Floyd knocked him out two times. Barely won, yeah right. Patterson was the youngest hw champ and the first one who managed to win his title back. Throw in that he was competative with the best and in the following era while beeing past prime enough is enough prove his quality. But yeah, Liston "exposed" him. :roll:
i was looking at your avatar and wondering when it was that joe louis became aware that max schmeling was a gentleman and a friend and not the baddie that the american media would have him believe. any ideas ??
As far as I know the next time they saw each other after their second fight was after WW2 when Schmeling went to the US to visit some friends who fled from the nazis. Guess it must have been around that time. Interestinlgy, in every bio I have their friendship is adressed but never when it started. I doubt it was before WW2, the atmosphere was too poisened then.
louis was said to have only hated max and galento.max baer said the same. just shows how you can be brainwashed
Yeah, I was always astonished how short the memory of peoply must be. Schmeling was liked quite a bit by the Americans before Hitler seized power but the wind turned fast against him. One reason was a Jewish friend of Schmeling who fled Germany and thought Schmeling turned on him and became a nazi. He was involved in boxing too, and when he came to America he told every paper what a nazi and bad person Schmeling was because he was disspointed in him. After the war they met up - he was the reason Schmeling went to America shortly after he was "de-nazified" and that´s where I think Louis and him met again too - and had a long talk, they stayed friends the rest of their lives.
i remember reading about joe jacobs having his fingers crossed behind his back when he did the heil hitler salute and how max stayed loyal to him
Ah, well, I think it´s understandable. You are driven out of your country, lose everything you had, your family is threatened, locked up or killed and your best friend becomes a symbol and ambassador of the regime that did that to you. Hell, I´d be pissed of too. Astonishing that both were able to forgive each other and became friends again.
I'm not discrediting the win, just stating the fact that Patterson won the HEAVYweight title from the light-heavyweight champion. If I didn't think Moore was a good win I wouldn't have even mentioned it. To Floyd's credit he could have made 175 himself, and taken Moore's title too. Johansson got him first time around. It was a brutal beating. I know Johansson was a good puncher, a great puncher even. And I don't minimize his win by implying it was "just once", ie. a fluke. Patterson might be lucky that Johansson didn't take the boxing game so seriously. Lucky that he had the rematch contracts too. Patterson was superb in the rematch. But in the third match he was down twice in the first round, and had a difficult time until he knocked an overweight Johansson out with a couple of blatant rabbit punches in the 6th round. He wasn't "competitive with the best" : Liston and Ali beat him with ease.
