How remarkable is Pacquiao's early career?

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  1. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Look at the names on his record at the early part of his career: Sasakul, Ledwaba, Sanchez, Larios, Solis, Barrera, Marquez and Morales.

    Obviously a record with those names alone would be a big achievement. I was reading an edition of The Ring before the Diaz bout and the talk was of whether he was past it, but even if he had lost to DDDiaz, that would have been a very good career on it's own.

    However, he won and, more importantly, he developed as a fighter. In most of the above fights, that was a one handed, technically limited fighter. You can't compare his technical ability now, to how he was at, say, the first Morales fight. When he hurt his man, all he could throw was left hand after left hand.

    Considering that he is a much more well rounded, better fighter now...it's astonishing that he has an early career like that, especially the wins over Barrera, Morales and Marquez.

    A truly amazing fighter. Once in a lifetime.
     
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  2. Cesare-Borgia.

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    I hate it when people discredit the wins especially morales 2 and marquez 2.
    I recently saw that documentary of him leading up to the ledwaba fight and it was from 2004 so before he became really big.
    His early fights in asia are awesome as well you would think he would reach his top getting a shot against a guy like ledwaba and then lose and vanish or win and eventually get destroyed by a atg like barrera or morales and then go dow. yet he has wars with them and came out as the best of the 4 guys. his pre 135 achievements already made him a atg, you would think by taking his style and opponents into consideration he would de like morales and barrera as they are now, shot and done. Yet he adds a whole other dimension to his legacy by destroying fighters while moving up in weight picking up belts and cleaning out welter. I agree with the once in a life time part, to me pacs career excists out of 3 parts pre-roach,lower weight divisions, 135 and above. He sealed his legacy at the second and became even greater and has looked better in the last one.
     
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  3. JIM KELLY

    JIM KELLY Bullshyt Mr Han Man! Full Member

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    incredible.
    And when was the last time he tasted the canvas?
     
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  4. Cesare-Borgia.

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    barrera 1 round 1 but that was a bull**** call.
     
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  5. igor_otsky

    igor_otsky Undefeated Full Member

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    ...but many discredit him for having losses below 130. sad.
     
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  6. Boom_Boom

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    Great post as usual Jack.

    When I speculate on Manny's career I like to separate it into 3 different eras. The up and coming era where he fought Ledabwa, Sasakul, Julio and other title holders in the lower weight classes. Then theres his Featherweight era where he made his biggest impact on his legacy to the hardcore boxing fan with fights and wins over Morales,Barrera and Marquez. And finally there is his superstar era where he fought the biggest names in the sport DelaHoya,Hatton and Cotto. In sort of like a dreammatch event for all of them. Yet he remains triumphant in all 3 eras, where one alone is perhaps good enough to merit him as a great fighter. Whats makes him so remarkable is how he came from no where and took the sport by storm. Its definetely a breath of fresh air then always getting fed these pampered olympians and trying to be manipulated that they are the next best thing.
     
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  7. goblin 2

    goblin 2 Blue Goblin Alliance Full Member

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    i know eh?

    poor manny..

    fightin a bunch of nobodies in his career early on..

    fightin a bunch of past it drained, chicken catchweights in his career later on

    manny is so remarkable..:happy
     
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  8. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I agree, good post too.

    You touched on a point there about how he wasn't pampered and with some fighters, I think looking after them with soft fights only hurts them. Look at Amir Khan, who was the definition of pampered.Had he stuck with Warren, he'd still be selling out arenas fighting tough Africans with no finesse. However, he tested himself and he's a much better fighter because of that.

    Not all fighters have the opportunity to go through the things Pacquiao did but even though he's had a very hard career, it made him the fighter he is today. Without that tough competition throughout, I am sure he wouldn't be where he right now, in terms of his ability.

    I don't really want to mention Floyd because it will swarm the thread, but here's a quick comparison: Pacquiao has always struggled whereas Mayweather has had it easier. I think a lot of young fighters, to the detriment of boxing, would prefer to go the Mayweather route.
     
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  9. davebenoit

    davebenoit Boxing Addict Full Member

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    trollllllllllllllllllll on the prowl!!!!!!
     
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  10. MAIN

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    *** fits him better....or *****....either of the two
     
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  11. MAIN

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    agreed.....yet his name will be suspect (to all the dummies) cuz of the testing issues
     
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  12. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Manny did have a great start to his career. Unfortunately he signed with Bob Arum around 2006 and everything gets all sketchy then
     
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  13. Jack

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    His legacy was sealed by then. Regardless of what you think of the condition or quality of his opponents, it's amazing that a guy who was so good under 135lbs, is now dominating these elite fighters at 147lbs or above.
     
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  14. FORMIDABLE

    FORMIDABLE Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Sketchy to the haters. What he's done with Arum propelled him into a living legend and certain future top 25 ATG, potentially top 10. As much as you clowns think you might, you will have no impact on boxing history
     
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  15. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    So you agree with fights like Mosley and Margarito?
     
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