If Frazier could beat Ali....why can't Tyson? Just sayn....

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That's why I'm saying 190

 

I think 200 is fine but I ain't going to argue over 10 lbs......:good

 

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Joe Louis beat some massive guys.

And you wouldn't need someone as good as Joe Louis to beat the Klitschkos. :yep

 

Yep, the Cruiserweight division is packed full of Joe Louis clones....;O)

 

How did i miss this thread?! Cant decide on the cruiserweight issue my gut feeling is 190 is a good limit but i might negate that thought with my folowing argument

It really depends on how people see the "superheavy era" i have to fall slightly on the side of Flea here skilled heavies beat big heavies. What about when a skilled heavy is also a big heavy?! I hear you cry

Well i think after a certain size probably about 230 being much bigger becomes a disadvantage you lose mobility and coordination either because you are too fat or too big. I dont think its unreasonable at this size level to ask a 195 guy to beat a 220 guy

 

Wlad is very, very good IMO. Let's not forget that even some skilled smaller guys would probably fall to him (say an in-shape Chambers ) because he uses his advantages well.

Not one of the greatest of all time, I can imagine say Holmes, Ali and Lewis offsetting his jab quite easily and stopping him, I would favour Bowe as well.

Foreman, Tyson, Louis, all bulldoze him. I'd favour Evander to be too fast, sharp ad durable and beat Wlad on points. His inside game when Wlad tries to clinch would sway the fight his way as it went on, he'd get round the jab and land rights as well IMO.

Haye is nowhere near these guys however. Wlad will beat anyone currently active IMO, no one really dynamic enough (coupled with the resilience required to comethrough rough patches) to combat his intelligent, dull style.

 

Waldimir Kiltschko has no inside game, he can box theres no doubt about it. But the way to beat him, is to to dog him and make the fight ugly.

Lennox Lewis had a inside game, and if needed could take the fight into trenches.

Waldimir Kiltschko is a one demensional fighter.

Vitali is the better fighter, and all these people saying that Vitali is slow..? Is he really..?

Sam Peter
Shannon Briggs
Chris Arreelo sp*
Gomez...

None of these guys hit him.!!!

 

I think David Haye would beat Waldimir Kiltschko, and do you know why..? people may laugh, but because of his performance against Audley Harrison.

Audley Harrison was afraid to throw the Jab..!! many people may knock Audley Harrison throughout his career, but he has never been hesitant to throw his jab throughout his career. David Haye totally took away his jab, just by using his own jab at times and fainting, and standing inside Harrison's front foot.

From a technically point of view, i was very impressed with David Haye in that fight. Casual fans, won't understand what he did. But i understand excalty what he did to Audley Harrison technically, and i was very impressed.

Wladimir Klitschko vs David Haye.

Would look excalty the same as Audley Harrison vs David Haye.

Nether fighter will be throwing much, and Wladimir Kiltschko would for the first time his his career, be hesitant to throw his jab.

Thats his first line of defence gone..! thats a mistake, vs David Haye. Thats a mistake vs a

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Fighter Jet.

You need a first line of defence, some kind of long distance anti air craft missiles.

Once Wladimir Kiltschko will be hesistant to throw his jab, it's over.

It will be a cagey, technical affair....

Until somebody unleashes afew bombs.

And i think that will be David Haye first..!!!

 

Read Fleas post, then mine.

 

**** off with your datruthboxing bollocks, you've added nothing to this thread, which was **** in the first place, it's only those who have a f'n clue that have made this thread intriguing.

**** off :deal

 

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