Does Brock has a chance against Dos Santos?

Its not possible for a non-wrestler to have tdd like Cain.

Being a jiu jitsu black belt and the most successful submissions fighter in UFC heavyweight history > being 'young and energetic'

No, read back. I'm patiently explaining to you how the style matchup is the opposite to what you thought it was. A striker is the easiest matchup for Brock, thats a fact. If Cain beats Brock its because he's a better fighter and won in spite of his style handicap.

Back to general.

 

:good

 

You have cut and edited my post, and started to get personal.

Rather than continue to debate with you, I will post this and be done with it:

I look forward to bumping this after the fight. :good

 

THe last time I was here you were asking where all the tae kwon do black belts are in MMA and things like that. Its hard to remain patient with newbs who are as full of themselves as you are. Remember my last time here I was patiently expalining to you all how Sylvia was going to batter Pudzianowski on the grounds that he was actually a fighter? I think I heard that 'wait until I bump this thread' then as well. Wind your neck in.

 

How the **** do you get that from what I was saying? I clearly said that I would believe Nog's resistance was waning when someone like Couture would be close to stopping him. I'm clearly taking the stance that Nogueira's resistance isn't gone. So where do you get that I think that Couture was close to stopping him?

Nogueira also didn't crumble against Herring or Sylvia, and ate some big shots in those bouts. I stated earlier in this thread that I will never argue a fighter's chin does not decline. Just like american football players become more prone to concussions, I believe all fighters become more susceptible to knock outs. I don't think his Nogueira's chin is solely to blame for his last couple of losses. I think his conditioning was a factor for Mir. Nogueira was slower on his feet against Sylvia, and Mir, than he was against Couture.

http://www.mmamania.com/2007/07/06/official-ufc-73-weigh-in-results-for-stacked/
Nogueira was 240.5 for the Herring fight.
http://mmafrenzy.com/1916/ufc-81-weigh-in-results/
Nogueira was 237 for Sylvia
http://mmaweekly.com/ufc-92-weigh-in-results-photos-2
Nogueira was 246 for Mir.
http://www.mmafighting.com/2009/08/28/ufc-102-weigh-in-results/
Nogueira was 231 for Couture.

I'm not trying to say that Cain knocked out a prime Nog. I'm trying to make the argument that Nog is still good, and relevant, when in shape. I believe Cain knocked out a good fighter the night he beat Nogueira. Similar to thinking that Tyson beat a quality fighter the night he knocked out Larry Holmes. I'm sure Holmes' resistance wasn't wasn't what it was 5 years earlier, but his chin had yet to turn to China even 5+ years after the Tyson fight.

 

I do not pretend to be an expert on MMA, but I do consider myself an expert on Lesnar vs Dos Santos. You will see.

 

I also would like to add that a lesnar win over JDS would be a disaster for the ufc heavyweight division.

we know lesnar is very flawed, and he would be #1 contender for cains title if he pulled the upset over JDS.

would Velasquez vs Lesnar 2 be anticipated after such a one sided beating in their original matchup?

Junior dos Santos on the other hand is a rising star, who would suffer a severe setback. We know that a Santos vs Velasquez would be highly anticipated.

I think Joe Silva sees this as close to a certainty as a fight can be, Santos will win, lesnar will lose.

ps I dont base my predictions on this, but you cant ignore it either.

 

Seriously what is wrong with people.

When has losing one fight destroyed a fighter's drawing power? Chuck wasn't competive against Shogun or Evans but draw great against Rich Franklin at UFC 115. Tyson wasn't competive against Holyfied but still drew over a million against Lewis. Etc, etc. Lesnar beats JDS then Lesnar-Velasquez is the biggest MMA fight of the year. Simple as.

 

Nog is certainly more relevant than Arlovski, Barnett, Rogers or Sergei Kharitonov

 

it wasnt that lesnar lost it was how he lost, what is wrong with people?


The baddest man on the planet turned and ran in his fight with carwin then got a severe beatdown that should have been the end of him but carwin did not have the gas tank to make it happen.

in the fight with velasquez, he did a similar thing with his breakdancing routine, then he was finished by cain who did have the gas tank. Why would anybody want to see that happen agian, except people who really want to see lesnar catch another beatdown.

perhaps that is how they could sell the fight.:vonnecunt

by the way lesnars drawing power has little to do with his skills, it is more about how he is perceived. he has very little legitimacy to compare him to mike tyson is ludicrous, tysons style was impetuous, his defense was impregnable, he was just ferocious!

lesnar cannot be described in a similar manner, he has flaws in both heart and technique this has been exposed and cant be unexposed.

lesnar never built his career through proving himself, his status was gained through hype, and hype can collapses in a instant.


tyson was legitimately the champion when he lost the belt to buster douglas, lesnar was a beltholder, but not exactly world champ when his reign was ended one-sidedly without even the slightest controversy. you see lesnar never had to beat the man [fedor] to become the man, he just had to beat an old man who he outweighed by 50-60lbs and hadnt fought in a year and he still didnt look impressive to me. then he beat two hypejobs then he lost, badly.

to rematch Velasquez is foolish... but I am sure some will buy into it, not as many as you think however.

 

The way both Bob Sapp and Kimbo Slice maintained their drawing power after being first exposed would say that you're wrong. Additionally any match with Velasquez would be after Lesnar beat "the best heavyweight boxer in the ufc" which would extensively rehab him.

 

Brock is always going to have a chance. There is always a chance that he secures a takedown, and holds someone down long enough to pound them out. However, unless he changes his approach to MMA training... his chance will always be limited to that type of win.

 

well kimbo's superstardom took a big hit when he lost to Seth Petruzelli, but did maintain far more drawing power than his skills warranted. Now Slice has very little starpower it vanished.

Bob sapp was only famous in japan, its a different market in North America I dont know about Europe and Australia.

Lesnar if he beats JDS would have to fight the man who completely annihilated him, it wasnt a lucky punch, he wasnt caught and never recovered, velasquez beat him down badly. this is after he got beat up badly by Carwin in his previous fight- Lesnar has a lot to prove.

It really depends on how Lesnar beat JDS, if its by a lay n prey decision it wont achieve much, if lesnar has improved by leaps and bounds and is able to completely outclass Santos, it would be different.

Very unlikely though, in fact your probably more likely to win the lottery. Santos should be able to trap lesnar between getting hit in the face and getting his takedowns stuffed repeatedly.:hat

 

Not just like Cain but then again Cains actual takedown defence is not that great IMHO, he's much more of a Hendo like aggresive scambler.

If JDS turns out to have good takedown defence it will likely be similar to Crocops, decent wrestlign tied into controling the distance with well adapted kickboxing footwork.

 

amazing highlight.

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