If Joe Calzaghe had lost a fight, would you still consider him an ATG?

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  1. the_baller

    the_baller Guest

    If Joe wasn't 46-0*, would he still be considered an ATG? What if he had lost a fight, any fight, and his record was 45-1, would he be talked about here? Would the euro-pee-ons still champion him and compare him to Ali?

    So imagine Joe Calzaghe 45-1, does his record or legacy still make him out to be a great fighter?
     
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  2. BoxKing

    BoxKing Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Fighters who know the pain of losing make better fighters than those that don't.
     
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  3. Gneus7

    Gneus7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Losing 1 fight doesn't erase all other accomplishments.
     
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  4. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    He isn't an ATG. To call him an ATG with a resume like that is beyond ridiculous, his retirement fight pretty much confirms what he was all about. He has ATG ability but not the resume. HOF at best.
     
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  5. the_baller

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    What accomplishments?

    I mean, most of his fans points to his 0* as his most important accomplishment. But my thing is take away that 0*, and what does he have to warrant ATG status? Lets say he still won his major fights, what does he have?

    Eubank
    Lacy
    Kessler
    Hopkins
    RJJ

    Those wins look nice (on paper) but knowledgable boxing fans know better.
     
    the_baller, Jan 17, 2011
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  6. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    Yeah, "all the other accomplishments"

    Lacy
    Kessler
    SD over 44 year old Hopkins

    Can't erase ALL of that.
     
    Scar, Jan 17, 2011
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  7. the_baller

    the_baller Guest


    :lol: Do I detect a little sarcasm?
     
    the_baller, Jan 17, 2011
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  8. Gneus7

    Gneus7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Losing 1 fight doesn't erase all other accomplishments therefore if he lost it would make no difference.
     
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  9. Boro chris

    Boro chris Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No it wouldn't but then he isn't an atg anyway by my reckoning. As a previous poster stated he had the talent but not the resume.
     
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  10. PNoyFightFanUSN

    PNoyFightFanUSN Larry Don't Give a **** Full Member

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    Is the subject invalidated if he isn't an ATG? Cuz he's not an ATG
     
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  11. toffeejack

    toffeejack Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So is Bernard Hopkins also not an ATG? Because there is hardly anything between their resumes.
     
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  12. LatinKing416

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    calzaghe an all time great? LOL what a joke
     
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  13. nightmare nick

    nightmare nick Take that Bald Bull Full Member

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    I don't think he is an atg. I also don't think anyone considers him in the same league as ali. he has some good wins. if he had lost a fight i wouldn't think much differant of him.
     
    nightmare nick, Jan 17, 2011
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  14. dubace

    dubace Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It' a lot different. Hopkins legitimately knocked out people, not slap their arms a couple of times and then the ref stops the fight. and his opponents, while not large names, were much more live and threatening than calzaghe's. he also fought more than one style of opponent. calzaghe fought primarily bum, out of shape, slow robotic fighters. comparing their resumes only makes calzaghe look like even more a coward, because as mediocre as hopkins resume may seem, it still shits all over calzaghe's.
    calzaghe = fraud.
    now let's wait for bailey to respond!
     
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  15. Terror

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    lol
     
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