No i don't mean like Chavez or Azumah Nelson... i mean like ROBERTO DURAN who would hammer Chavez & Nelson at 135 along with Pea & what the **** has Laing got to do with anything??? quit getting desperate by clutching at straws & sleep easy knowing that your hero never suffered being beaten to death at the hands of the greatest lightweight of all time We are not talking about Duran the party animal at higher weights & in his fat slob beer guzzling 30's are we for **** sake:bart Duran of 74-78 dos'nt get beat by the likes of Whitaker...period:deal Chavez ai'nt no welterweight either was he!!!
You massively overrate Duran then. You think Duran is far and away better than Pea, Chavez and Nelson? cause I dont, whether he's better or not, there is no way he would hammer any! of those guys. Chavez had an iron chin, was a tough SOB, Nelson was a tough SOB, but could Box to, and had a good chin, Pea was extremely good at making you fight his fight, did not get hit much, and was hard to pin down. Clutching at straws? I gave tangible reasons why I dont think you Duran wins, you come at me with technical break down like " i don't mean like Chavez or Azumah Nelson... i mean like ROBERTO DURAN who would hammer Chavez & Nelson at 135 along with Pea". I think you are clutching at straws, cause you cant put together a decent argument for how Duran struggled to cut the ring down against the aforementioned fighters, all you can come at me with, is how he would hammer Pea, Chavez, and Nelson, which is nonsensical imo, not to mention, highly speculative, as no one did that to either. Who did Duran fight at LW apart from De Jesus on the level of Pea, Chavez, Nelson?
Embarrassing yourself again I see. Ken Buchanan was comfortably on the same level as Chavez and Nelson (though not Sweet Pea, he is a level above JCC and Azumah - as proven when he fought them). I don't think you know much of Azumah Nelson's career if you think Nelson would have avoided annihilation at the hands of Duran at 135. Nelson was a natural featherweight, who got the chops boxed off him by Pernell Whitaker in his only fight at 135 before he was well past his best and lost again at the weight to Jesse James Leija. Explain to me how the **** a natural fw/sfw who clearly lost his only 2 ever lightweight fights is not going to get beaten down by the greatest lightweight in history?!!! Oh dear. Again. :yikes
Ken Buchanan is a great win, I overlooked him, but the point im making, is I dont think Duran's opponents at LW were stellar enough for someone to claim he would hammer Chavez, Nelson and Pea. Lets not be selective with Nelson, the poster was claiming he would hammer Nelson, Pea and Chavez. Nelson had a decent amount of fights at 130, so I question whether I think he would get hammered just cause he was fighting at 135. Leija beat him in 93, Whitaker beat him pre Jeff Fenech, so despite the weight, he was still a pretty good fighter imo. Also, I just cant envisage Nelson getting beat up, the guy was too much of a beast for that, and even if he did struggle with the weight, which there was not much sign against Whitaker imo, he was just out-skilled more than anything, I still think he would of had enough skill to box and move not get hammered. Maybe Duran could/would beat him, I just cant imagine Nelson getting beat up. No disgrace losing to Whitaker, I think he would of frustrated the hell out of Duran to. Because Duran being the greatest LW of all time is based on perception, not everyone subscribes to it, I certainly dont, infact I personally think Whitaker was a better fighter, and a better LW, but that's my opinion, I dont expect, or persecute someone for having a different opinion. If you use the time line of when Nelson was a LW, then of coarse you could make different assertions, but the Nelson who fought Whitaker, pre Fenech, still had a lot to offer, just that he was outskilled by Whitaker, which is no disgrace. Do you think Duran hammers Pea and Chavez to btw?
In your desperation all you can do is cite is Laing/Batten/Benitez/Leonard It's obvious that you being the u- tube warrior that you are you know 110% **** all about Duran or "Duran the Man". Desperate people always cling on to a little bit of hope when lost in the darkness & swallow any false dawns when given the choice & your's is Laing & Batten:verysad I'll not usually waste my breath or time in casting pearls amoungst swine, but i'll say this....Duran never gave a **** about Laing/Batten as these were pay checks & i doubt he even trained for them judging by his size & shape & within 1 ****in year of the Jimmy Batten walk out fight Duran was fighting Hagler at Middleweight & Wiping out Cuevas & Moore along the way. Not bad for a former undisputed Lightweight king is it!!! These are known as his wilderness years & King dumps him after the Laing fight & along came Bob Arum who gave him a new chance to start over even at the old age then of 32 which back then in 83 was jurassic & the rest in history as they say, so quit clutching at weak straws such as Laing/Batten as you're making yerself look daft.
Desperation? those fights happened, you cant change reality, you can try and fudge perception to suit your opinion, but nothing will change the fact, prime or not, that Duran had technical issues cutting the ring down against those fighters. Why am I a u- tube warrior? I dont understand why people have to get pissy, just cause I dont agree with your opinion? Dude, thats Duran's problem. Hopkins is as great as he is, not just cause he's technically brilliant, but because of his professionalism, dedication. If Duran has losses due to a lack of professionalism, dedication, that's a knock on him as fighter, it doesn't mean you can start excusing all his shortcomings. I make myself look daft? You said he would hammer Chavez, Nelson and Pea.
Duran would quit against Chavez. NO MAS POR FAVOR!!!! re the earlier discussion about Ray's style.. Ray was a BOXER. Not a slugger, and not a defensive cutie either. There's a difference between a boxer and a cutie. Calderon is a cutie. Mayweather is a boxer. A boxer can go forwards, backwards, show a little power, show some good defense. SRL could BECOME a slugger if he had to do it to get the win, or if he had an opponent who couldn't hurt him, but whenever he was up against dangerous guys he always tried to box first.
I don't think you know much of anything at all if you're putting Buchanan (or DeJesus, for that matter) on the same level as JC Superstar. So you can stop with the snideness, it's not appropriate when you say something that stupid.
Not to mention a marked tendency to quit when things don't go his way, after being paid millions of dollars and on national TV. Manny Pacquiao. Julio Caesar Chavez. Pernell Whitaker. Hank Armstrong. What do these men have in common?* *they would all make Duran quit.
You've been overlooking more than you've been underlooking lately, in your haste to come across as Eddie Futch Reincarnated. No we have to be selective here because Nelson is the only point of dissension here. I do not believe Duran would "hammer" Pea or Chavez. I think he'd outpoint Pea around 8-4 or 10-5 (my explanation for this is to be found earlier in this thread), and I think he'd outpoint Chavez around 9-3 or 11-4, something in those regions. But you do not think Duran hammers Nelson. I say he does, 100% - and Nelson is one of my all-time favourites. Why? They are two different weight classes. Nelson was a feather who moved up to superfeather. He was far from being a natural lightweight. Duran only rose to world title level at 135, and he had the longest and most successful period of his career there. One weight class would obviously make a difference in this case. Would you back JM Marquez to avoid a severe beating from Aaron Pryor at 140, because Marquez has had success at 135, but was easily beaten the only time he ever weighed close to 140? Me neither. Madness. :nut :huh No Eddie, you are overlooking the point again. Why would I reference a superfeather fight between Nelson and Leija in this discussion of Nelson's fights at lightweight? Nelson and Leija fought at 130 in 1993 (and it was a draw actually, another spot of characteristic overlooking), and again at 130 in 1994 (which Nelson lost), but these fights are irrelevant anyway. When Nelson fought Leija at 135, he lost a UD (2 years after stopping Leija in 6 at 130). :huh What does pre-Jeff Fenech mean? Are you implying that he was a spent force "post-Jeff Fenech"? I suggest you watch more Nelson then. Fenech II was arguably the best win of Nelson's career, even though it was "post" his bad performance against Fenech. His stoppages of Ruelas and Leija were also superb and they were "post-Jeff Fenech"... and they were of course at superfeatherweight, where Nelson was comfortable. Nelson had a few off-nights in his "pre-Fenech" days as well, that double-header was no watershed. This is like a point that would be made by a 12 year old boy FFS. Could you envisage Mike Tyson getting beaten up and stopped before he fought Buster Douglas? Could you envisage Roy Jones getting totalled by one punch before he tangled with Tarver and Johnson? Could you envisage Muhammad Ali and Julio Cesar Chavez getting dropped and outfought for their first losses to Joe Frazier and Frankie Randall? Any/every fighter can run into a certain fighter on a certain night that could deal them a night like they never had before and never believed possible. And what makes your point even more facile is the implication that something could never have happened, simply because it didn't happen in reality. You think Nelson couldn't have been hammered by Duran, because he never was hammered in reality? (although some would argue that at points both Sanchez and Fenech did give him a hammering) Well, let's apply that logic to other hypotheticals shall we: - The lightweight Marquez has never been stopped, therefore Aaron Pryor couldn't stop him at 140? - The supermiddleweight Joe Calzaghe never lost decisively at that weight, therefore 1994-96 Roy Jones couldn't have beaten him decisively? And so on. Dumb point. Also, Nelson got his head boxed off at 135 by Whitaker. What would've happened if it had been someone who hit far harder and fought far more aggressively in the ring that night?? Think of the styles - Nelson walks straight to you. Duran, being bigger, stronger and all-round better, would ****ing lap that **** up. If Nelson soon realized he was outgunned and tried to fight off the ropes instead, you seriously think Duran couldn't beat him far, FAR worse there than a 130lbs Jeff Fenech managed in his 1st fight with Azumah?! Your argument is Swiss cheese man. :deal atsch It gets worse. What on Earth did you see in Azumah Nelson's career that suggests to you that he could "box and move" for 12 or 15 rounds against one of the greatest exponents EVER of cutting off the ring??? Please, please tell me exactly which fights of Nelson's you have seen where he demonstrates the level of outboxing skills against top opposition required to "box and move" and avoid getting hammered by a bigger man, whose whole ATG game was based around cutting off the ring?!?!!??! I await this answer with great, great anticipation, Eddie. That point was so good, you just needed to reiterate it, yes? That point was so well explained and supported by examples and facts, that you have underlined it so we all understood it second time out, yes? :rofl It is coming across pretty strongly that you don't rate Duran very highly. How about we use this indicator instead: Duran at lightweight Titles held: WBA light 1972-79 The Ring light 1972-79 WBC light 1978-79 (vacated the titles to move up in weight) Top 3 wins at 135: Buchanan (great win, often overlooked for some reason) DeJesus II DeJesus III Overall record in lightweight title fights: 13 wins, 1 points loss (twice avenged by stoppage) Nelson at lightweight Titles held: None. Top 3 wins at 135: None. Overall record in lightweight title fights: 0 wins, 2 losses (beaten by Whitaker for WBC/IBF, beaten by Leija for the hallowed IBA) Basis for saying Nelson would avoid being hammered by Duran at 135: None at all your Honour, I stick by this scientific evidence instead... "I just can't see it." atschatschatsch I answered that question earlier on within this clinical execution/education, whichever way you take it. :smoke
Your an attention seeker, I've said my piece, that is all. I know you dont understand Boxing from talking to you, there are things you can only understand if you Boxed, and its clear to me from talking to you, you have never Boxed a day in your life. I dont respect your opinion what so ever, saw dust for brains when it comes to the mechanics of Boxing.
Without doubt, the most obvious admission of total defeat ever seen on here. :deal Then again, there was no way in hell you could come back with anything after being so, so horribly outclassed. If you have the balls to respond, and I very much doubt that you do, please remember to answer the direct question which you just completely bitched out of confronting: :smoke :smoke :smoke