Who had better skills, Toney or Joe Louis?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by kopejh, Jan 21, 2011.


Page 1 of 5
  1. kopejh

    kopejh Guest

    who had the better skills in your opinion?
     
    kopejh, Jan 21, 2011
    kopejh, Jan 21, 2011
    #1
  2. Swarmer

    Swarmer Patrick Full Member

    19,654
    52
    Jan 19, 2010
    you serious? Louis by a country mile
     
    Swarmer, Jan 21, 2011
    Swarmer, Jan 21, 2011
    #2
  3. D.T

    D.T Guest

    Toney.

    But Louis is by far the greater when it comes to ATG rankings.
     
    D.T, Jan 21, 2011
    D.T, Jan 21, 2011
    #3
  4. klompton

    klompton Boxing Addict banned

    5,667
    39
    Jul 6, 2005
    :good

    Louis would have gotten criticized for destroying thadzi, Tiberi, and Griffin. Toney lost to them in his prime...
     
    klompton, Jan 21, 2011
    klompton, Jan 21, 2011
    #4
  5. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

    71,528
    27,122
    Feb 15, 2006
    It depends what you mean by skills to some extant.

    We are not exactly comparing like for like.
     
    janitor, Jan 21, 2011
    janitor, Jan 21, 2011
    #5
  6. horst

    horst Guest

    An aggressive heavyweight from the 1940s or a defensive middleweight from the 1990s?

    The question is problematic.
     
    horst, Jan 21, 2011
    horst, Jan 21, 2011
    #6
  7. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

    112,821
    47,716
    Mar 21, 2007
    Louis. Put very simply he's better at the things he does best than Toney is at the things he does best. Obviously it's a good deal more complex than that, but who wants to get into all that, really...
     
    McGrain, Jan 21, 2011
    McGrain, Jan 21, 2011
    #7
  8. BUMPY KNUCKLES

    BUMPY KNUCKLES Guest

    JT ! props to louis though
     
    BUMPY KNUCKLES, Jan 21, 2011
    BUMPY KNUCKLES, Jan 21, 2011
    #8
  9. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

    112,821
    47,716
    Mar 21, 2007
    If Toney wins this poll, i'm off to Boxing Scene.
     
    McGrain, Jan 21, 2011
    McGrain, Jan 21, 2011
    #9
  10. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

    42,723
    264
    Jul 22, 2004
    It needs breaking down

    Defense - Toney

    Counter punching - Toney

    Combinations - goto go with Louis, Toney isn't a slouch when he can be bothered

    Footwork - neither are great, both are efficient, Louis plods and they use it different - Louis generally to stalk, Toney to find optimal range. But I do think Toney finds his range a little better

    Timing - Toney

    Jab - I think Toney's is snappier and more accurate

    Right hand - both throw it nice and straight, Toney hides his better, can lead or counter with it, times it better and has more variety with it

    Left Hook - both throw it really well to the head or body, Louis has more power P4P but when it comes to technique that doesn't apply so much, I'd go for tie

    Uppercut - both throw it well

    Ad******g in the ring and out thinking an opponent - Toney

    So overall it has to be Toney, he is a great but with discipline could have been so much greater. Louis has the great discipline, solid skills, but more of a physical specimen than boxing wizard
     
    PowerPuncher, Jan 21, 2011
    PowerPuncher, Jan 21, 2011
    #10
  11. di tullio

    di tullio Guest

    I have to disagree here.

    I think when talking about the jab, timing, left hook, right hand, uppercut, counter punching, out thinking opponents and combination punching Joe could be brought up as one of the best of all time.
     
    di tullio, Jan 21, 2011
    di tullio, Jan 21, 2011
    #11
  12. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

    112,821
    47,716
    Mar 21, 2007
    Joe Louis is a better counter-puncher than Toney. He counter's space way, way better.
     
    McGrain, Jan 21, 2011
    McGrain, Jan 21, 2011
    #12
  13. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

    42,723
    264
    Jul 22, 2004
    No he isn't close to being near as counter puncher, if he was such a great counter puncher Conn and Walcott would never have made him look so foolish
     
    PowerPuncher, Jan 21, 2011
    PowerPuncher, Jan 21, 2011
    #13
  14. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

    71,528
    27,122
    Feb 15, 2006
    That is a bit like saying "if Toney was such a great counterpuncher then why did Jones make him look foolish".
     
    janitor, Jan 21, 2011
    janitor, Jan 21, 2011
    #14
  15. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

    112,821
    47,716
    Mar 21, 2007
    Couner-punchers and slicksters with superior speed are exactly the type of fighter that will make a counter-puncher look bad. Mainly because they take away that counter-punching ability.

    See Jones-Toney for a really good example.
     
    McGrain, Jan 21, 2011
    McGrain, Jan 21, 2011
    #15
Page 1 of 5