If only Edwin Valero was alive, he'd be steamrolling these fighters at 135/140...

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  1. crimson

    crimson Boxing Addict banned

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    The only way Valero would clean up 135 and 140 is with a knife.
     
    crimson, Jan 21, 2011
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  2. kirk

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    :lol: right

    Bradley would have snatched that 0 and sent him back to 135.... Khan would have outboxed him, and Maidana would have outslugged him.
     
    kirk, Jan 21, 2011
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  3. timmyjames

    timmyjames PTurd curb stomper Full Member

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    i fully expect to see this topic pop up every 4-6 months
     
    timmyjames, Jan 21, 2011
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  4. FORMIDABLE

    FORMIDABLE Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I liked Valero, but the quality of his opposition wasn't great and you have to question his mentality when he can kill his wife like that and then take his own life. How would he stand up when put under pressure at the top level? He probably would've folded.
     
    FORMIDABLE, Jan 21, 2011
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  5. psychopath

    psychopath D' "X" Factor Full Member

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    . . . like I said you can stop dreaming. De Marco is not in the level of Khan, Alexander and Bradley. Wake up!
     
    psychopath, Jan 21, 2011
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  6. charlie brown

    charlie brown Guest

    :patsch

    He looked pretty calm, cool, and collected after suffering a gigantic cut on his forehead in the middle of his fight with DeMarco. Pacquiao suffered under similar conditions against Agapito Sanchez, except unlike Valero, Pacquiao didn't want to continue. :yep
     
    charlie brown, Jan 21, 2011
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  7. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    :lol:

    Imagine how bad it will be if his brother gets big? :-(
     
    IntentionalButt, Jan 21, 2011
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  8. Boom_Boom

    Boom_Boom R.I.P Boxing 6/9/12 Full Member

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    And now valero is getting the classic nostalgia treatment.
    I can hardly imagine what its going to be like when pac and pbf retire they'll be treated like boxing gods. Floyd as the best defensive fighter ever and Pacquiao as the best offensive fighter ever. Shiva and Ifrit.
     
    Boom_Boom, Jan 21, 2011
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  9. unsigned_userv2

    unsigned_userv2 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He did ok; he easily-destroyed the highly-rated Antonio DeMarco in his backyard (who I also believe was ranked 5 or 6 in the LW rankings at the time), and also destroyed Antonio Pitalua who was the closest thing to a linear LW champion (Valero > Pitalua > Santa Cruz who was robbed of a decision against linear champ Casamayor).

    I wouldn't go as far to say he'd steamroll the division but I think he proved he could mix it with good fighters albeit maybe not the elite.
     
    unsigned_userv2, Jan 21, 2011
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  10. unsigned_userv2

    unsigned_userv2 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    History repeats itself which is why in forums current boxers will never defeat past greats in fantasy matchups.

    It's human nature to romantasize how great a fighter was and gloss over his flaws; they become faster, stronger, iron-chinned or whatever with each passing decade.
     
    unsigned_userv2, Jan 21, 2011
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  11. Duck Dodgers

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    Valero was just as slow and raw as Maidana. Valero-Maidana was one of the fights I was hoping would happen, actually. I would've picked Maidana to win by KO.
     
    Duck Dodgers, Jan 21, 2011
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  12. charlie brown

    charlie brown Guest

    :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
     
    charlie brown, Jan 21, 2011
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  13. Flea Man

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    Valero was not that fast, was sloppy as ****, an awful finisher, and his power was overrated. He was also untested against Elite-level opposition (Mosquera, Pitalua and DeMarco are not that) and would've got starched by the likes of Katsidis and Soto, let alone Marquez and Pac.
     
    Flea Man, Jan 21, 2011
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  14. Duck Dodgers

    Duck Dodgers Kimbo #1 P4P Full Member

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    Was he or was he not essentially a left-handed Maidana? I don't mean that as an insult either, I love how Maidana fights.
     
    Duck Dodgers, Jan 21, 2011
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  15. charlie brown

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    I'm curious, what Valero fights have you actually watched?

    I mean, if you're calling Valero a southpaw Maidana, I think it can only stem from you glossing over their records on boxrec and deducing that they both hit hard.

    If we're talking in terms of human physiology, Valero has a lot more fast-twitch muscle fibers than Maidana. It's quite obvious on tape that Valero has both faster feet and hands, and there really is no comparison to be honest. You can criticize Valero's quality of opponents, but to state that Valero was as slow as Maidana is just patently untrue.
     
    charlie brown, Jan 21, 2011
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