My top 20 P4P (visual evidence based)

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  1. Pachilles

    Pachilles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Thoughts on this list, based on fighters who we have sufficient film of??

    1) Sugar Ray Robinson
    2) Muhammad Ali
    3) Sugar Ray Leonard
    4) Henry Armstrong
    5) Pernell Whitaker
    6) Roy Jones Jr
    7) Willie Pep
    8) Manny Pacquiao
    9) Roberto Duran
    10) Marvin Hagler
    11) Joe Louis
    12) Thomas Hearns
    13) Salvador Sanchez
    14) Ricardo Lopez
    15) Archie Moore
    16) Jose Napoles
    17) Julio Cesar Chavez
    18) Alexis Arguello
    19) Floyd Mayweather Jr
    20) Ruben Olivares
     
  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Nothing wrong with that. Some things that done stuck out at me -

    Moore would be below Napoles, both would be above Lopez.

    Louis above Hagler, Pacquiao.

    Armstrong would be above Ali and Ray Leonard.

    I also think Zarate looks a sliver better on film than Olivares, and both look better than Arguello.
     
  3. kopejh

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    no way a Heavyweight should make the list if we are talking based on films.

    someone like Kalambay was at least twice as superior to any heavyweight I've seen and he rarely gets talked about here
     
  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Kalamby is not superior to Joe Louis.
     
  5. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    1. Gomez
    2. Lora
    3. Canizales
    4. Winstone
    5. Chucho Castillo

    And that's the end of that chapter.
     
  6. kopejh

    kopejh Guest

    where does Louis rank in your list?
     
  7. di tullio

    di tullio Guest

    Not bad. Would a loss to Pacquiao affect Floyd's spot?
     
  8. Swarmer

    Swarmer Patrick Full Member

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    no charles? well you can go sit on a spike sir
     
  9. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :goodits good
     
  10. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    harry greb is not jesus christ
     
  11. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    Erm... define sufficient? Particularly was thinking of Ezzard Charles. Not enough film on him for you or do you just not think much of him?

    I see you got a new found respect in Armstrong. Don't remember him in the last list.

    I could nitpick a few things. But it's your list. I think for me the biggest thing that stands out is Louis being below Hagler. I'd have him above, I think he looks superior on film. I guess you could always argue quality of opposition, but then again Louis was fighting much bigger men. Hagler... was fighting a fair share of great fighters coming up in weight.
     
  12. Commando

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    Ricardo Lopez.......:lol::lol::lol::patsch:patsch:patsch:verysad:verysad:-(
     
  13. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    harry greb
    sam langford
    joe gans
    no evidence
     
  14. di tullio

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    I've never seen any film of sunglasses man yet somehow he manages to get on every list. Damn nostalgia bull****.
     
  15. Jorodz

    Jorodz watching Gatti Ward 1... Full Member

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    i like lopez on the list personally, especially if it's based on footage. despite the warranted complaint that there isn't a long of in fighting, he's damn near flawless in the footage we have