Could Leonard beat a prime Hagler?

I agree.

 

Bit grouchy today, are we?

 

If Leonard hadn't taken his break and grown into 160 with some further fights at 154 and one or two at 160, I think he well could have beaten Hagler in 84 or 85.

 

Perhaps should start a thread about how Monzon would have flattened Leonard inside 3 rds to really let Iry get it out of his system.

 

a prime hagler beats leonard ,any leonard

 

Definitely a tricky fighter, and gave Hagler problems with the counter right ( I wonder if Roberto Duran watched this fight before facing Hagler ). The trouble is though, Leonard wouldn't fight Hagler in this way, and Hagler wouldn't be fighting Leonard the way he fought Cabrera. I haven't watched the fight all the way through for a while, but my general impression was the Hagler was winning a tricky fight and it became very one sided in the end, hence the towel thrown in. I respectfully disagree with you on round 1. Thought Hagler took it comfortably. Very enjoyable and technical fight to watch.

 

I think leonard comes into this fight, scared, no confidence, full of trepidation; not confident the way he was in the Norris fight before Terry punched the snot out of him

Leonard's speed would not be a factor in this one any more than it was in the Norris fight. Hagler's flesh ripping jab scores in concussive fashion until bringing the right hook into play to end this one sided little affair

 

Despite his record,,,,,,,,Norberto Cabrera was rated #14 by the WBA,,??
He kind of reminds me of a bigger version of Lorenzo Garcia.

 

I think Marvin edged him in '87. But Leonard, like Ali, had a way of getting a psychological edge on his opponents, which I feel he did on Marvin. It wouldn't surprise me if a prime Leonard found a way to psych out and steal it from Hagler. Logic would say that Hagler should win, but Ray had some amazng intangibles.

 

I scored their real fight for Hagler. If it were a prime vs prime match up, not a match up of who was faded more, I have to give it to Marvin. He was quick, could fight however he felt like, and was clearly one of the best middleweights of all time.

Leonard in his prime was clearly one of the best welterweights of all time, but not middleweights. He would still hold a speed advantage over Marvin, but that would be about it. I don't think it would be enough. Hagler would tagging him cleaner and harder than he did in the real fight, and he'd be good enough to follow up on it.

Marvin's legs would be able to keep up with Ray's much better and the exchanges would go in Hagler's favor. It'd still be a good match up, but it is an all time great middleweight vs an all time great welterweight in the middleweight division. It isn't as cut and dry as that obviously, but it's what it basically comes down.

 

OK, so that was funny. It wasn't just me. :yep

 

hagler would beat any middle there has ever been.at his peak he would have run straight over leonard.the man was a mean, hard, monster

 

stylewise he could have. But he could not have been hit as much as he was in his fight with Marvin in 1987. If Hagler hurt him this time he would stop Ray. But Ray could win the same way he beat Duran and frustrate Hagler and win a decision. Although I admit 15 rounds is a long time to go with Hagler, but Ray could have done it with his speed.

 

In Las Vegas, and with a big sized ring, and fast mat.
Foolish agreement by Marvin Hagler.

I still thought Hagler won that 12-Round fight, like the majority of fight fans.

But Ray Leonards speed and great legs, may have allowed him to last 15-Rounds with a
prime Marvin Hagler, not win, but last out the fight.