My top 20 P4P (visual evidence based)

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  1. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :good
     
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  2. Swarmer

    Swarmer Patrick Full Member

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    there is film of gans and langford, quite a bit of the latter actually
     
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  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    :lol: full on not paying attention, and not really understanding what "evidence" means :yep
     
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  4. Jorodz

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    wait, i'm confused. are you saying there's sufficient visual evidence of those 3?
     
    Jorodz, Jan 22, 2011
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  5. janitor

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    There is good footage of Gans and Langford.

    Obviously you would need a few fights to know how good they really were, but there is enough to know that they were no worse than a certain level.
     
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  6. McGrain

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    For what?

    No on Greb, there's no footage of him in a fight.
     
    McGrain, Jan 22, 2011
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  7. Jorodz

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    gans maybe but the langford footage is VERY limited. for instance, if you took away his record and watched only the footage available, would he rank in the top 5?

    for this thread, there is nowhere near the evidence necessary to make an informed opinion and we're relying on reports for most of his placement
     
    Jorodz, Jan 22, 2011
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  8. Pachilles

    Pachilles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Do you see similarities at all in the hooks to the body and the jabs that Napoles and Moore throw? And the awkward, titled angles that they throw them from? I do. And i think in his WW body Napoles is more mobile and numerous with them, but in Archie's LHW body he is more selective and his punches in general are thrown with more potency. Coming with a punch from awkward, unsuspecting angles is especially a great punch to selectively time and put KO power in to, and i'm impressed that Archie can do this physically and thinks to do so.

    that make any sense, bra?:think

    Depends entirely on how good his losing performance was.

    I've not got round to Ezzard Charles yet, i've seen a technique video that was posted up and a short highlight video and that is it.

    Only recently have i seen much of Armstrong. I watched his Ross fight here the other day and you-tubed him after. Theres still not as much as i liked to see, but all i needed was a glimpse to put a stamp on his amazing resume, he is clearly a marauder. He is to me a slicker Joe Frazier, only more mobile, more elusive on the inside, quicker feet and great with both hands. The technical swarmer style is the ultimate style to me, i've always said any man the same size of Frazier has no hope, the style is suited to beat the pure boxers also, if he was quicker on his feet and more fluid in his upper body, the larger bombers would be in trouble too. So yes, Armstrong is efficient in the defficiencies that may be expected to come along with that style. So i've got a hard on for him right now because the style i describe is one with no weakness, and he appears to posess it.
     
    Pachilles, Jan 22, 2011
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  9. McGrain

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    But we're not "rellying on reports for most of his placements", there's so much more to it than that.

    And why are we talking about it anyway? Seems everyone was quite happy to discuss what they'd seen on film before people started bellowing about Greb being Jesus and there being "no evidence" on Gans.

    Ho-hum.
     
    McGrain, Jan 22, 2011
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  10. Jorodz

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    well put:good
     
    Jorodz, Jan 22, 2011
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  11. Jorodz

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    :lol:agreed, let's move on

    ricardo lopez should be number 1...followed by roy jones
     
    Jorodz, Jan 22, 2011
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  12. Pachilles

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    It may be cliche to say, but Robinson without a doubt is number 1. He is a freak.

    A friend of mine, who has only really seen Tyson and Jones Jr fights and thinks they're the centre of the boxing universe ,and no disrespcet to him, he doesn't follow boxing at all, he's very, very casual with it. I blagged him into watching a Robinson HL video. And he now believes only Robinson is superior to Jones and would knock him spark out.

    I don't really agree with that or say it makes much of a point. Only in that the talent of Robinson is blatantly obvious to see. Nothing fancy that Jones does or destructive that Tyson does has tricked my incredibly casual friend into thinking that they are better than the black and white filmed Robinson
     
    Pachilles, Jan 22, 2011
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  13. PetethePrince

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    I think you'll be impressed with his skills. But then again, Charles can seem passive and lacks that certain flair to really captivate everyone. His critics thought so, too.

    Oh yeah, he's definitely a more agile Joe Frazier. And with a much better right. I particular like his sort of corkscrew right hand. And then when he completely nullifies the oppositions left side he'll really push through the target with that short right hand. He's just better and more well-rounded than Joe. I also wonder if it's a bit harder to pull off that style as a HW. Bigger punches mean more damage and one punch really can change things in boxing, especially the HW division. That's just me play devil's advocate as far as Frazier as a swarmer, but no doubt Armstrong was better.
     
    PetethePrince, Jan 22, 2011
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  14. janitor

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    Lets take Joe Louis as a model.

    You would have to show sombody at least five of his fights to show his full repatoir e.g. adapting to different problems.

    If by cruel chance, the only film you had was of the first Godoy fight, then you would not rate him verry highly.

    Any great fighter that is known from one or two films, is probablyt better than given credit for based on visual evidence.
     
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  15. Jorodz

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    damn straight. jokes aside, robinson is one of those fighters that completely transcends his time. you could put him anywhere in history and he'd still look like a fighting machine. he was born to fight and couldn't throw an awkward or poorly executed punch if he was paid to
     
    Jorodz, Jan 22, 2011
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