Why do we say "he fought no one" to boxers that are HIGHLY skillful?

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  1. Legend2

    Legend2 Active Member Full Member

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    Two prime examples are Roy Jones and Floyd Mayweather. But especially Roy Jones. Just because these two boxers are masterly skillful, and make their opponents look like rookies, we often tend to say "well they never fought a real threat". Well, they actually DO fight opponents that are considered a threat, but because they make them look like nobodies, we tend to not realize that.

    Jones fought solid fighters. Hopkins, Toney, Reggie Johnson, Griffin, Hill, Woods, Ruiz, Tarver (won first fight being weight drained), all these guys were champions, I'm probably missing some. But point is, he cleaned out the entire 175 division.

    Floyd (even though I still think he's a scared wussy) has fought good opposition in his early days. Corrales, Castillo, Gatti, Chavez, Baldomir, Oscar, Hatton...... Yes I threw in Baldomir and Gatti for the simple fact that 80% thought they were too big and strong for Floyd.

    But point is, we often tend to not appreciate a very very very very skillful and athletical fighter because their skills seems to be "not fair" for an ordinary skillful fighter. What are your thoughts.


    Gentlemen..... DISCUSS!!!!
     
  2. dave-slave

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    same **** with Wlad/Vitali.
     
  3. Buddy La

    Buddy La Active Member Full Member

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    :huh in the press conferences maybe.
     
  4. Buddy La

    Buddy La Active Member Full Member

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    I don't think anybody can say Roy Jones didn't fight 'no one'. He was widely regarded the pound for pound best. His heavyweight title may not be so recognizable as that was John Ruiz, and I believe I heard he wanted nothing to do with the other heavyweights at that time. He was #1 at 175 up until his Tarver defeat, but that was after giving him a rematch. So I don't think you can say Jones ducked anyone.
     
  5. SamO408

    SamO408 Active Member Full Member

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    agree 100%
    we as fans are often too critical, and cant even enjoy a fight, or a fighter.
    these men are functioning on a high, almost super human level
    dont hate, give credit where credit is due!
     
  6. montrealsuper

    montrealsuper "Im a pugilist specialist Full Member

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    Jones fought a lot of good fighters but he had a habit of dodging the best. Jones ignored a lot of bxoers that presented high risk threats - Benn, Eubank, Collins, Michaelcewski, Liles were all in their primes and would have given JOnes problems but they were avoided.

    Jones also avoided Byrd at HWT which would have been interesting.

    Very few fighters are so good that they always step up and face the toughest tests, with no excuses. Lewis, Klitschko, Hopkins, Hagler come to mind.
     
  7. AnthonyW

    AnthonyW ESB Official Gif Poster Full Member

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    People tend to judge said opposition after the fight, and forget altogether that said opponent was a threat/favourite before hand.

    Ofcourse it's a lot easier if said opponent comes back from a loss and goes on to achieve a great deal in the sport...but it doesn't always workout that way, especially after being outclassed and demoralized by boxers as good as Jones Jr and Mayweather.
     
  8. cesare-borgia

    cesare-borgia Übermensch in fieri Full Member

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    im interested in this, and hopefully someone can answer.
    In which fights have they not been the favourite?
    Lets say floyd his whole career and jones until tarver 2.
     
  9. AnthonyW

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    Mayweather hasn't always been the favourite if I'm correct, especially with the amount of divisions he has moved up.

    One clear one for me is the N'dou bout...not sure how the odds were in that bout, but people genuinely believed Mayweather could be knocked out in that bout.
     
  10. WatchfortheHook

    WatchfortheHook Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Corrales was a slight favorite against Floyd....and then Floyd destroyed him.
     
  11. cesare-borgia

    cesare-borgia Übermensch in fieri Full Member

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    I dont say it to hate on them. I just want to know if they were betting underdogs and in which fights.
    Its a valid point to give fighters credit for fights where they were a underdog but came out on top.
     
  12. Noam Chomsky

    Noam Chomsky A Source of Emulation Full Member

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    If a highly skilled boxer like say Berto, fought an opponent who legally changed his name to "No One", that statement would be accurate.
     
  13. WatchfortheHook

    WatchfortheHook Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Oh I wasn't claiming you were, I just pointed out that the destruction of Corrales was so shocking because Corrales was the slight betting favorite in the fight.
     
  14. Steenalized

    Steenalized Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    How much of that was in relation to Corrales' popularity though?
     
  15. cesare-borgia

    cesare-borgia Übermensch in fieri Full Member

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    oki cool, for me thats floyds best performance:thumbsup