Who is greater? George Foreman or Mike Tyson

you don´t give a **** the rest of my post? my post was 100% truth and anyone who know about boxing know that i am right.

marciano never trained weights and frazier never trained with weights neither and frazier never took suplements and modern nutrition as tyson did . and frazier was around 15-32 pounds heavier than marciano. tyson had modern advantages and he was around 7 pounds heavier... frazier weighed 210 against bob foster, tyson weighed 215-216 against larry holmes.
frazier was absolutely bigger than marciano

 

There are special "negative double standards" regarding Tyson on here.

For instance, when Lewis creates a KO on the inside, he gets praised for having "exceptional" & "great" inside skills, but when Tyson does so it gets swept under the table.

 

actually i am boring of clowns like you, you are now too repetitive, so ignore me , ok? little boy

 

Tyson was a shot-to-**** overweight corpse against Lennox, yet it damages his legacy in your eyes?

Name one Shot Heavyweight who would survive against the ageing, but highly conditioned & motivated Lewis of 2002...

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None, that's right, he brutally stops them all.

 

To say Tyson didn't have infighting skills is ******ed. Seriously, watch some fights. The uppercuts he manages to throw when guys think they're safe are incredible.

He was taller and more muscular than Frazier (bigger), and had (more) power in both hands. He also had FAR superior head movement.

Bear in mind I said 'might' have beaten ali. I didn't say it would've been a sure thing, but there is without doubt a significant chance that he would have won.

 

THe incorrect consensus on this board was that Tyson was only a midrange fighter. Tyson was short with stocky arms. He only tried to get to the inside. He could have done more on the inside, but a lot, if not the majority of his Ko's were created from infighting.

 

That picture in your avatar says a lot about Tyson in his comeback. Ive seen it before. Look how he is throwing a lefthook from a southpaw stance falling in. Technical mess.

 

Being able to fight off both sides is a product of the peekaboo stance and the use of hooks and uppercuts. Straight shots are harder to throw successfully on both sides.

More than a mess, I see it as an advantage.

Tyson's style was not a 'classic' or 'textbook' style, but it was, and is, a legitimate boxing style. It isn't talent-based like Naseem or Roy Jones Jr.

 

No, he wasn't better.
He didn't keep that pressure and perpetual motion and workrate going for 15 rounds, or even 12.
Frazier was on that ass for 3-mins a round, 15 rounds.

 

I understand the style, but that doesnt the change the fact that Tyson was in poor balance as he was for most of his comeback. You didnt see Tyson throwing those kind of shots in his prime. Hes obviously in poor balance, thats why hes stepping forward with the wrong foot.

 

He didnt need to, he punched harder and faster. Just because Frazier kept more pressure on his opponents didnt make him better and he didnt win all his fights by KO either.

 

Still pictures of prime Tyson show similar "technical mess". Off-balance, wide open, feet square-on, wide apart.
He was just really fast and vicious with it, guys were too busy cowering to exploit that.

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Tyson isn't beating Ali, that's the point.
And Frazier was better, IMO.

 

Hes actually in good balance in those shots. Look at the McNeeley picture, hes falling forward with the wrong foot forward. He would have been in better balance with a squared stance or his right foot back like in one of the photos you posted. Tyson did punch a lot from a squared stance, but he almost always left himself in position to follow up or move correctly. In the McNeeley shot he is neither.

 

I would think Tyson would be a live dog against Ali. No way to say Tyson isnt, beating him.