Bert Sugar’s old school breakdown: The triumph and heartache of Miguel Cotto.........

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  1. LP_1985

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    At the moment Miguel Cotto’s name is resonating very loudly due to his two-city press tour with edgy Nicaraguan Ricardo Mayorga. The trash-talking Mayorga has had some hateful words to say and the WBA junior middleweight champion has responded accordingly, leaving the press with much to hang onto after stops in New York and Puerto Rico.
    Cotto defends his belt against Mayorga on March 12th at the MGM Grand in a fight that could lead to eventual rematches with the only two men to defeat him, Antonio Margarito and Manny Pacquiao. Cotto has shown himself to have great perseverance in bouncing back from defeat and the stage seems set for him to make a glorious run as his career winds down.
    I recently reached out to well-respected boxing historian Bert Sugar to get his take on the impressions left by Cotto over the years. The New York scribe and I discussed Miguel’s early foray with Top Rank, his tear through the welterweight division, his bouts with Zab Judah, Shane Mosley, Pacquiao and Margarito plus much more.
    Continue reading for all of Sugar’s thoughts…

    Early impressions…
    “He was one of the best pro prospects coming out of the Olympics. Although he didn’t win and let it be known that many great fighters didn’t win. [Bob Arum’s] stepson Todd duBoef picked him out of a class of potentials and he had potential greatness. I thought this was a brawler. This was a steady, well-built, brawler who came to fight.”

    His wild war with Ricardo Torres…
    “Cotto can be hit and he just comes back and back. I watched that fight on television to be honest. Which is sort of like eating a ham sandwich with the wax paper on it; you really don’t get the true feel of it.”

    Has Puerto Rico embraced Cotto?
    “They [have]. But they still have, if they will, a feeling for Felix ‘Tito’ Trinidad and Wilfredo Gomez. In my new book ‘The Ultimate Book of Boxing Lists’, we have the greatest Puerto Rican fighters of all time by Mario Rivera and he ranks him number six. Tito is number two.”

    Going through early hell with Zab Judah…
    “I was at [that fight]. He brought his own cheering section. You can say that Miguel Cotto isn’t as popular in Puerto Rico but he sure is in New York. Well he took great punches from Judah in the early rounds. Like the Timex clock he took a licking and he kept on ticking. He went at him and he wore him down. Body punches, punches to the head. He’s there for you but he’s there for himself.”

    Answering the call against Shane Mosley…
    “When he out jabbed ‘Sugar’ Shane Mosley, who is known for his jab. I thought ‘I don’t believe this’. I just thought that he out pointed him. He went in as an underdog and he just turned the tables on Shane. Close fight but one in which he stood up and answered the call. And he’s had to do that every step of the way.”

    Reaching out…
    “He had one thing in his favor; unlike Tito Trinidad, he learned English. Trinidad never did. It wasn’t a business sense; it was a sense of reaching out to a potential audience. I always thought Duran would have been a much more accepted and greater fighter out of his realm of Latino fans had he learned to speak English. But Cotto went out of his way to learn it.”

    Writing on the wall against Antonio Margarito…
    “It wasn’t heartbreaking. I wouldn’t put it that way. You could see it coming. Margarito let him hit him with everything. You had a feeling that what Cotto was doing in the early rounds was equivalent to throwing the kitchen sink at him. And he was still there. You knew at one point that he was going to turn the tables and he did.”
    I don’t know if it was tainted but it’s a question. Nobody’s ever going to know except for Margarito and his trainer. You just had the feeling that if he had loaded gloves in one fight he had to have it in others. Connect the dots.”

    His November 2009 loss to Manny Pacquiao…
    “I thought he was running into a buzz saw. I didn’t think it would be that devastating, where he got knocked down early. He was fighting over his head than. It was a step up at that point. He went from fighting A to A+ and A+ won.”

    Returning against Yuri Foreman…
    “He went up and he won a fight for the junior middleweight championship against Foreman. That was no fight. I don’t care if he had ten legs. I couldn’t see him losing and I didn’t give Foreman a round. And he still brought to Yankee Stadium, sort of the Cotto rooting section. They were all there. And they accept him and root for him because he is theirs. Particularly since he learned English.”

    The kind of fighter you respect...
    “I think he still can become great as those who saw him in the beginning thought he could. Every fight makes it into a battle. Every fight is a do or die. He’s the kind of fighter you really respect and look for in boxing. He’s the kind of fighter we need. He gives us that same almost unidentifiable intangible that made Arturo Gatti such a favorite. He’s a better fighter than Gatti and at the same token he comes back and keeps fighting. And you’ve got to like that as a fight fan.”

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  2. antcull

    antcull Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Don't know what Cotto has left to be honest. Its looking like all roads lead to Margarito II in the summer so hopefully he can get his redemption. Although even the wrap-less Margarito will pose Cotto problems again you feel.

    Good read. :good
     
  3. nip102

    nip102 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Cotto really is a true old school fighter
     
  4. GazOC

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  5. LP_1985

    LP_1985 JMM beat Pac-Man 3 Times Full Member

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    i think margarito will beat down Cotto again
     
  6. pathmanc1986

    pathmanc1986 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    i have always and still have a lot of love for cotto, i was gutted when brick fists beat him


    id love to think that cotto could re-invent himself under steward and come back with a great run of fights
     
  7. JFT96

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    Even though i wouldn't say i'm a proper cotto fan, i respect him a lot and love watching him. I fear that at 154 he could lose out to margorito if they fought again but id be excited at that fight cos the last 1 was fantastic and i always feel like he deserves to get revenge for that loss
     
  8. fatcity

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    I would never miss a Cotto fight.Win or lose-he comes to fight.
     
  9. dftaylor

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    dftaylor Writer, fanatic Full Member

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    Really, is he? Sounds like Sugar’s talking crap. Again.

    Sugar’s a charlatan who’s so hated the BWAA won’t let him in the door.
     
  11. Flea Man

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    Only one thing I didn't agree with....um, Shanes jab???? Yes, he's always been Monzon-esque :rofl

    For once, this was a good read from the troll that is Sugar. Because Cotto is fairly easy to assess and is current, Bert hasn't needed to delve into his usual techniques of perpetuating myths and poor evaluations of greatness.

    But I enjoyed this. Good thread, Cotto was fantastic in his prime and still capable of beating up a washed-up Mayorga.
     
  12. GazOC

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    I thought you might have a comment on the Puerto Rican AT rankings Flea?
     
  13. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    Mosley can't jab to save his life :-(

    I don't think Margarito would beat Cotto again..... there were lots of things that contributed to that loss, but he'll be better equipped to deal with his demons with Steward in the corner.

    Plus Margarito has been badly banged up in four of his last five fights, including the Cotto one. I think he's the one more on the slide to be honest.

    Cotto won't get back to the levels that he reached in beating Mosley or beating up Margarito in the first six rounds..... but he's got enough left to get the job done here.

    Mayorga is a potential banana skin but I think he'll deal with that one handily enough.
     
  14. GazOC

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    Thats better.....:good
     
  15. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    Beat that :hey

    :hi: