Cherry picker manny

i hear all the things about manny pacquiao cherry picking opponents, but **** me if he cherry picks, then he likes cherry picking the best.

 

I don't understand your points, you say he dominated those fighters in two years.... but your original point is that he cherry picked?

 

Yeah I don't think he realizes "Cherry Picker" is a pejorative term.

 

If he had of fought Cotto at 147 instead of the catchweight there would be no questions asked about his resume at WW. Many people still hold the view Cotto was forced into accepting the terms of having to weigh in at 145 then put his title on the line also. It was a brave move by Cotto but hindsight showed after the first couple of rounds Cotto had nothing left, which isn't like him. Arum promised to look after Cotto well if he took the fight at 145lbs which is the lowest weight they could get Cotto to accept after trying for 142lbs. Which is why Arum was so pissed off with HBO for not wanting the Cotto fight. I wouldn't call it Cherry picking, but if you're are able to fight Oscar at 147, why feel the need to bring Cotto down to 142-145lbs, I believe its obvious Roach thought Cotto at 147 was alive dog, which is why he was saying things like 'the weaker he is the better' during the biuld up to the fight. They do say 1lbs can make all the difference, especially for someone whos finding it hard enough trying to make 147 to try and make 145, i believe this played a big part in the out come of the fight, which i why i don't give Pacquaio much credit for it.

Cotto at 147lbs would be the best win on Pac's resume, right up there with Berrara 1, but Cotto at 145lbs doesn;t rate that highly for me. Especially after listening to Manny Steward on the subject.

 

Yet when he faced clottey on 146 and then pac 1 pound lighter its all of a sudden bad.
This was pacs first real test at 147 because oscar didnt deliver. Cotto is a household name, 145 made it possible and I honestly dont think it would have made a difference since pacquiao was just the better skilled fighter and cotto couldnt handle his style.
Pac vs cotto 2 will not be at a catchweight, for sure.
Cotto himselfs never complain about it so I dont get why people do.
Its one of his best wins for me.

 

When you look at it like a star struck fan then yes on paper it looks good but when you have your eyes open you can see the politics.

Cotto, Clottey and Margarito are all top rank fighters that bob arum promotes. Pac is fighting mosley who had to get away from golden boy to get the fight. You see a pattern?

It's easy to criticise floyd for not fighting cotto and margo, but these are all top rank fighters, we know the history between floyd and arum. Here is a question, when was the last time floyd fought a top rank fighter?

It's politics nothing to do with being scared. We have seen how quick deals between pac and other top rank fighters can be sorted out. we saw this in the first round of negotiations, when pac suddenly bailed on fighting mayweather and signed quickly to fight joshua clottey.

 

:good

 

oscar at 147 was not pac's previous fight before cotto. if you will go back to that time, oscar at 147 was just a one time deal and they are really planning to stay at 140 where they fought hatton. pac did weigh only 138 so asking cotto for a cacthweight fight at 145 where cotto last weighed 146 in his last fight seems to be a fair proposal for ctoo and his camp. they perfectly knew that they will fight a small man in pacuiao who barely weighed 140 in his last fight. and on actual night, cotto was not even remotely affected by the weight for you to discredit this one.

 

Yes, i'm not sure if you watched the Clottey fight but Cotto didn't look that great in it, many felt he lost the fight an he apparently had trouble making the weight.

I understand what you're saying with the 1lbs difference, but if it wasn;t important why have it in the first place, why was Roach saying the things he was saying in the build up, why take Oscar at 147 but not Cotto, if a couple of pounds doesn't make a difference.

Most Pro boxers have did cut runs, to find out exactly how much they can saftely shed an put on in 24-30 hours, it doesn't get talked about often but think about it as leveling up on some RPG game, the higher level you get to the more you have to do to gain another level. Thats like cutting weight, the lower you go down, the harder it gets to shed safely, which is why burning off just 1 extra lbs can make the difference.

I've been saying since before the fight even happened that Cotto is to much of a professional to say anything about it. I've been saying that since Cotto said 'i feel fine at the weight' a day before the fight happened. But he's been talking to Steward about it, an says his body had nothing left after 3. Its an topic i have quite an interest in an thought i wouldn't get to hear anything Cotto had to say about it until he retired, but he knows Stewards just trying to help him in body and mind so he has no reason to be dishonest to him.

 

Eh, you do know Pac was 144lbs fight night for Marquez 2. An i would make a guess at close to 150lbs fight night for Hatton?

In the words of Brother Naz 'The biggest trick Pacquaio ever pulled was convincing the world he's a small man'

 

Every pound makes a difference.:deal

How big a difference we will never know.

 

Did brother Naz really say that?

I've been saying something along them lines since the Diaz fight.