The argument that American Heavies are "in other sports"

Firstly, we're talking.about the HEAVYWEIGHT division.

Secondly, you're tellin me that while there are potential boxers in other sports in Europe, which is perfectly reasonable, that in the US, where atletes have more heavyweight potential, there are no guys who could have cut it as boxers?

Do you know what an oxymoron is?

Oh, unless of course you have an agenda like Catchbatches, and believe they don't have chin or heart despite Wlad having neither, but still reaching the top.

This is some dumb **** and ya'll are some dumbasses.

 

What is really funny about those statistics you pulled up are the following-

Holyfield 6'1 1/2 210 pounds
M. Tyson 5'10 220 pounds
R. Bowe 6'5 235 pounds

These men are all far smaller than the basketball players you just mentioned.

If an average Joe were to come across these men as oppose the all time greats that I have just mentioned...im postive the average Joe will pick the following becuase of the way they look.

Tye Fields 6'9 280 pounds
M. Grant 6'7 260 pounds
L. Whitaker 6'8 250 pounds


See what i just did? Picked huge, muscular athletic men over all time greats.....stop talking **** you **** wit.:hi:

 

So would darren be an amazing ATG HW? I dont think you seem to be grassping the concept that while atheletic ability is a very good asset in boxing it wont make you an ATG by itself. I see what your saying when you pick some of the most atheletic big guys on the planet and saw they would be good HW's but to say that they would dominate just on the athletic ability alone is ridiculous. After all like you said, no top flight prime NFL has boxed.

 

Did you not say, and I quote, "just because they are good athletes, doesn't mean they have the chin or heart to compete at the top level?"

Considering that Wlad Klitschko doesn't have a chin or a heart, it indicates that you remarks are geared toward denigrating American athletes, and mostly Black American athletes.

Do I have an agenda?

Do I need an agenda? What fool actually believes that Chambers and Arreola are the best potential heavyweights in America?

And while soccer the most popular sport in Europe, there are few potential heavyweight fighters, while in the NFL and NBA there are many extremelly athletic men over 200 lbs.

A poster pointed out Audley Harrison as an example. Audley Harrison, despite having a confidence problem still managed to win the gold medal based on his physicality and athleticism alone.

Guys like Audley are a dime a dozen in the NFL and NBA, but apparently, you don't think that any one of them could prosper at a higher level than Audley?

And furthermore, your hatred of David Haye, who you view as subhuman considering your posts, hightlights the reason you started this thread.

Clearly you have a bias against American athletes and especially black American athletes.

It really is as if you're trying to relive the early 1900's when black people were considered inferior to whites.

You're truly ignorant.

 

But if there are few boxing gyms and opportunities to box, and in contrast, many opportunities to play football or basketball, what would you do?

Every highschool and almost every college has a football team or at least a basketball team.

Not only are these sports more available, and even pushed on people from society, the incentives they offer are vast, from scholarships, to if you succeed enough to make it into the NFL or NBA, million dollar contracts.

Why would anybody with a right mind choose boxing unless of course they are undersized or a failed athlete in football and basketball?

 

What many don't seem to understand is that in America boxing isn't as accessible to kids as American football and basketball are, whereas in Europe boxing is introduced in schools as early as kindergarten, and fringe sports like football, rugby, and basketball are only played by the guys that couldn't make it as a boxer.

 

I know that you're trying to be ironic, but soccer is the number one sport in Europe, and considering this is a heavyweight discussion, it's virtually irrelevant.

And while some athletes in Europe are good enough to play in the NBA, the Americans are typically superior athletes. In fact, European players are known for good fundamentals, while American's are known for their athleticism.

There are very few elite European basketball players in contrast to their American counterparts.

Like Michigan Warrior said on the second or first page, a guy jumping over a 7 foot man doesn't impress you?

Are you ****in kidding me?

 

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1.NBA NFL is drug infested
2. europeans dont play gridiron or basketball because they dont like it(they have soccer, rugby, hockey)
3. big men in europe oceania, play hockey ( the NHL or ex is 80% non american), rugby, or dont chose to be pro athletes, because its a shame! It has the stereotype of not being smart enough to get a real job or start a career, or they dont have the resources, in europe, you dont get scholarship for running 4'45 on a 40 yard dash
4.americans are known for hyping and not being able to take difference between hype and skill
5. americans dominate the NFL, NBA because the're regional sports(pros)

 

Americans are typically superior athletes? **** off with this master race bull****, geography and race does not play a role in athleticism, skill, or talent. A lot of the replies in thread thread are frightening in their ignorance.

There is a high percentageof lot elite European basketball players in the NBA when you take into consideration that the sport is still growing in Europe.

Yes, guy jumping over a seven foot man is impressive, but has **** all to do with boxing

 

I'm sure it's true.

Just like all the best lightweights to light heavies in the world aren't boxing but playing the biggest sport on the planet (football). And light heavies to heavies are playing rugby.

 

Apparently, you're unfamiliar with the NBA. Even coaches and European players often consent that many of their American counteparts have superior athleticism.

They've even developed moves such as the "Euro-Step" to surpass these boundries.

Obviously, this doesn't apply to all Europeans. You need a high level of athleticism to be able to compete in the NBA to begin with. Secondly, there are always exceptions to the rule.

If for some reason, you feel slighted by reality, I cannot say that I feel sorry for you.

However, if you make the argument that many potential heavyweight fighters in Europe are playing Rugby, I would be inclined to agree with you.

Is it really that difficult of a concept to understand?

Am I preaching that American athletes would absolutely dominate? No, I am merely saying that guys like Chambers and Arreola are not the best athletes by far that America has to offer.

Simple enough?

 

Emotional arguments?

Are you blind or idiot?

How is 425 failed football or basketball players any indication of tallent or potential?

Your argument is flawed and has been easily destroyed.

You might as well log off and go back to storm front.