The best boxing trainer of all time?

Ray Arcel is easily the best trainer of all-time. No trainer can even compare to an eighth of Arcel.


He trained the likes of:

James J. Braddock = GOOD
Lou Nova = GOOD
Buddy Baer = VERY GOOD
Max Baer = GREAT
Al Ettore = BORDERLINE GREAT
Ezzard Charles = ALL-TIME GREAT
Larry Holmes = ALL-TIME GREAT
Georges Carpentier = ALL-TIME GREAT
Maxie Rosenbloom = GREAT
Bob Olin = VERY GOOD
Tommy Yarosz = VERY GOOD
Teddy Yarosz = BORDERLINE GREAT
Freddie Steele = ALL-TIME GREAT
Billy Soose = GREAT
Ceferino Garcia = GREAT
Tony Zale = GREAT/ BORDERLINE ALL-TIME GREAT
Jackie Fields = GREAT
Lou Brouillard = VERY GOOD
Barney Ross = ALL-TIME GREAT
Henry Armstrong = ALL-TIME GREAT
Kid Gavilan = ALL-TIME GREAT
Roberto Duran = ALL-TIME GREAT
Jackie (Kid) Berg = ALL-TIME GREAT
Benny Leonard = ALL-TIME GREAT
Sixto Escobar = GREAT
Frankie Genaro = VERY GOOD
John Henry Lewis = ALL-TIME GREAT
Al McCoy = GREAT

That is 11 ATG's and many other great fighters.


Show me a trainer that has even a tenth of that resume.

 

Floyd Mayweather Sr

 

yea im thinking Arcel as well...

Of course my question is with any trainer...how much did he develop....and how much was just due to his having a big name due to one lucky find..and then having big name fighters come to him?

 

I can't pick just one, but if I had to, it'd be Chappie Blackburn or Emmanuel Steward. You can't go wrong with either of them, unless you ignore their advice.

 

Great trainer ,but he did not work with Leonard until 1931 , during Benny's abortive comeback as a welter,at which point ,Leonard was allmost through,and fighting for a pension.

 

Freddie Brown trained Duran much more than Arcel did. Arcel was boss though, he would take over in corner, and would make sure he was in gym if reporters were around. He was great trainer, but Brown was as good or better with fighters, not anywhere near as good as Arcel with media. That counts for alot with what they write, and who they give coverage to.

 

I don't know about the best ,but Futch is the equal of any ,imo.

 

By the way, Duran was already 95% developed when he came to states to train. Whoever his trainers were in Panama, they may be frogotten and unknown, but they sure were great.

 

Jimmy Deforrest (trainer of Jack Dempsey until the Willard-fight) deserves to be remembered, too.
@ ecto55
It is good, that You have mentioned Whitey Bimstein. He worked with many great fighters and was for some time partners with Ray Arcel. Very interesting is your information about Bill Miller of Harlem. I never have heard about him till now. It is a pity that such men seem to have been forgotten.

 

A good list but I have to ask....Teddy Yarosz "Borderline great" while Max Baer, Billy Soose, Al McCoy and Georges Carp are "great"?

You might wanna compare resumes on that one

 

Surely Steward is close.

Dennis Andries- Good
Wilfred Benítez- ATG
Julio César Chávez- ATG
Kermit Cintron- Good
Miguel Cotto- Potential ATG / DEfinate HOFer
Oscar De La Hoya- ATG
Domonique Dolton- Good
Naseem Hamed- ATG/ HOFer
Thomas Hearns- ATG
Evander Holyfield- ATG
John David Jackson- Good
Hilmer Kenty- Good
Ole Klemetsen- Good
Wladimir Klitschko- ATG
Andy Lee- Good
Lennox Lewis- ATG
Michael Moorer- HOFer
Oliver McCall- Good
Mike McCallum- Good
Milton McCrory- Good
Steve McCrory- Good
Gerald McClellan- Good
Jimmy Paul- Good
Jermain Taylor- Very Good
Duane Thomas- Good
James Toney- ATG


I may have even under rated some.

 

great shout he would be the trainer i would choose

 

I've always been fond of Angelo Dundee. The BEST though,had got to be Eddie Futch.

 

though arcel is a damn fine pick i'm surprised at how few votes futch is getting

 

Cotto a potential ATG??

HAHAHA


Fool.