Were Toney's best performances at mw better than B-Hop's at mw or Calzaghe's at smw?

B-Hop's best wins/performances at 160:

Tito is obviously 1st, and for 2nd you can choose between Keith Holmes, Glen Johnson, William Joppy, Oscar De La Hoya, and even Jermain Taylor if you (as I did) scored either of the Taylor fights for B-Hop.


Calzaghe's best wins/performances at 168:

For me, it's an easy one-two of Kessler and Lacy, but for quality of performance Omar Sheika is up there, some might throw in Byron Mitchell as well.



Toney's best wins/performances at 160:


Michael Nunn

- At the time, Nunn was 36-0, and had made it into the p4p top 10 courtesy of 6 IBF title fight victories over an excellent collection of opponents: Donald Curry, Sumbu Kalambay, Marlon Starling, Frank Tate, Iran Barkley and Juan Domingo Roldan.

- The fight was in Nunn's backyard and he was a heavy favourite to win. He was taller and with a longer reach than Toney, and Angelo Dundee was promoting him as one of the most skilled outboxers in the world.

- For around 7 rounds, Nunn used his advantages perfectly to outjab and outbox his smaller opponent, and build up a healthy lead on the cards, to the delight of the partisan crowd. But Toney did not give up, did not become discouraged, did not wilt. In a stunning display of will and skill, he turned the fight around, outfought Nunn for a couple of rounds, and then landed a decisive shot which turned the fight in his favour. He stopped Nunn in a thrilling end to the fight, taking Nunn's zero and his title.


Mike McCallum 1

- McCallum had already proven to be one of the all-time great light-middleweights, having a strong title reign there in the 80s which featured stoppage wins over Julian Jackson, Donald Curry and Milton McCrory.

- By the time he met Toney, McCallum had gone up to middleweight, avenged his only loss to Sumbu Kalambay, and recorded solid wins over Michael Watson, Herol Graham and Steve Collins to prove his quality at 160.

- In one of the most high-level, high-skill, high-quality middleweight title fights of all-time, Toney and McCallum fought out a close, competitive classic which resulted in a draw on the cards, but for me Toney was a clear winner. The most impressive thing about his performance was that in the last 30 seconds or so of the fight, he appeared to have McCallum badly hurt and ready to go. The Bodysnatcher went on to fight till he was 41 and moved through lightheavy and cruiser, and never came so close to being stopped again, not even in a lhw fight with p4p#1 Roy Jones Jr.




My contention is that all Hopkins at mw and Calzaghe at smw have over Toney at mw is longevity. Toney achieved his best performances against considerably better and tougher opponents.


Thoughts? :bbb

 

:yikes We agree. I think I'll ice-skate through Hell on the way home today.

 

- Kessler wasn't top 10 p4p when Calzaghe fought him

- Hopkins' loss to Jones was not one of his best performances

- Nowhere have I even mentioned who would win between Hopkins, Toney and Calzaghe, so I don't understand why you think h2h has anything to do with this thread. And nowhere have I mentioned Roy Jones either.

Conclusion: Your understanding of this simple thread has been utter ****. :-(

 

I'll take from your personal response that you realize my 3 points in the above post were correct, which they were. :good

Do you ever consider that a boxing thread may be motivated by boxing discussion, and not some puerile anti-somebody agenda?

My username is Popkins, am I biased against Bernard Hopkins now because I have recently re-watched Toney-Nunn and Toney-McCallum 1 and believe his best performances in his short time at mw were even better than the best performances of two much longer reigning champions in Hopkins and Calzaghe?

You kids really, really bore me with your never-ending "you hate this guy, you hate that guy" ****ing bull****. :dead

 

Why do you keep mentioning RJJ? :huh I don't get it. RJJ was not one of B-Hop's best performances at mw, and RJJ was not one of Toney's best performances AT SMW, and RJJ was not one of Calzaghe's best performances AT LHW, so RJJ has NO relevance whatsoever to this discussion. :nono

This thread is about the best performances of each man at the weight they won their 1st world titles at. What is difficult for you to grasp about this? It's very simple.

And your lying will fail, because Mikkel Kessler was NOT in The Ring's official p4p top 10 before he fought Calzaghe. He wasn't. Sorry.


Your input on this thread has been a severe load of shite. :hi:

 

Why does Icefag think that if he blatantly pulls a statistic out of his ass and says "90% of all publications", that anyone will believe it?

Ridiculous.