Was Johnson regarded as a better infighter or outfighter in his own time?

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    It seems to me that in his own time Johnson was more respected as a boxer than an in-fighter, but has become more famous for his infighting down the years. Your thoughts?

    Which fighters do you think would hold a stylistic advantage over Johnson and why?
     
  2. janitor

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    Johnson certainly sees to have thought of himself as an infighter.

    I think the only fighter who could claim any sort of stylistic advantage against him would be a swarmer. Apart from that, Johnson is a walking stylistic disadvantage.
     
  3. McGrain

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    And his money punch was the uppercut on the inside.

    What interested me was that the sporting press seemed stunned at Kauffman's efforts to box him - they wanted to see Kauffman press him, come in. Surprised me a bit.


    Yes. The problem is, bringing an actually swarmer all the way inside, where the modern perception is that Johnson was at his best, able to deploy that uppercut and utilise his huge strength.

    How about a technical power-boxer like Liston or Lewis?
     
  4. guilalah

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    Yes, Johnson is 'pick your poison'.

    Fight a good counter puncher from the outside?

    Come inside to an uppercutting strongman?

    And no one was better at eliminating the middle distance when he didn't want it.
     
  5. McGrain

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    I agree, though it's hard to be absolutely sure. This is why I pick him to beat Iron Mike, which seems to make people crazy :lol: Sh, let's not talk about it.
     
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  7. McGrain

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    I don't have as high a regard for his competition as you do but it is so telling that none of his opponents during this time found a way to stop him landing it even though it was the most famous money punch in the world at that time.

    Kauffman's right over the top was almost as lauded going into the fight...what other HW money punches were specifically noted at this time?


    That's interesting, why?
     
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  9. McGrain

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    Big, big advantages in reach and nice advantages in power. Fighting stupid couldn't definitely get in trouble, but the plan seems to speak for itself.
     
  10. janitor

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    Are they going to be strong enough to impose range upon him?

    Perhaps not.

    If Machen could give Liston issues then I am sure Johnson could.

    Johnsons power is probably suficient to give them both some scary moments.
     
  11. di tullio

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    Joe Frazier's bob and weave and cross armed defense worked well against uppercuts. On the other hand, Foreman was literally pushing Joe around in the first fight because he was physically so much stronger. Anyway, I just haven't seen many guys with a really tight guard from Jack's era.
     
  12. McGrain

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    Well Machen caused Liston to adjust, and won only two rounds in the entire fight IMO, but it's a point well made none-the-less.
     
  13. McGrain

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    That is most definitely the case for me. There were a couple of guys that had the idea, but they were using smaller gloves for the guard and the guard was being penetrated by a smaller glove.
     
  14. janitor

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    I have seen some score cards for the Machen fight that have it closer.

    Some in the press even suggested that Machen deserved the nod.
     
  15. McGrain

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    Well, fortunately it's on film and on YT so everyone can see for themselves just how bad those cards are.