Tyson doesn't do weights; Tyson as "unknockoutable"

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Yeah, I did mean the weight-training footage.
     
  2. Tyson used weights post prison i believe
     
  3. alexvoce

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    to be fair though tyson was never knocked out cold he just didnt have the height to get up.
     
  4. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    The Olympic-style lifts also do a tremendous job of developing full body coordination since so multiple large muscle groups must work together in quick sequence. They're fantastic lifts for boxers; the tough part is finding good teachers to implement them into a training regime.

    I know the common phrase is that punchers are born and not made, but if a fighter spent a year or two doing Olympic-style lifts and took some of the advice from Dempsey's book, I think they'd be surprised to find the power they're capable of.
     
  5. duran duran

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    tyson never needed to do weights post prison he should have trained exactly the same way as he had done under rooney .
     
  6. PowerPuncher

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    Exactly they are very very hard, even just for training none competitive development

    I try to convince people people about the benefits of these exercises and they don't believe me. I've seriously had a few boxers hit much harder on the pads after just 1 session. Tyson on an olympic would be even more faster/powerful, no doubt
     
  7. Bokaj

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    What's the difference between olympic lifts and regular ones? Is it that they consist of more sequences, like the clean-and-jerk?

    My boxing trainers have also told me that squats with weights are good for builiding power.
     
  8. Unforgiven

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    Saw this when it first aired, in March 1987. Probably have it on an old VHS somewhere.
    I've been saying all along that Tyson didn't do weights in his prime. Very few boxers did do weights in the 1980s.
    Even Bruno didn't do heavy weight training, i don't think his physique was "built" on weight training much at all, he just added some light-moderate weight training to his training.
    It wasn't really until Holyfield that systematic mass-building/strength weights programs were made acceptable. (Although boxers had experiment before, no doubt).


    Maybe a little uncomfortable at being put on the spot and asked about a man he knew was a sentimental national favourite of his host.
    That's how I felt at the time too.
    He was already aware of Britain's strange relatioship with Bruno - simulatenously holding him as a hero while writing off his chances against 'the top yanks'.
     
  9. ironchamp

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    :good
     
  10. lefthook31

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    Tyson felt he needed to be physically bigger in his comeback. He used weights through his comeback because the fighters were bigger. He didnt need it though. His best performances were when he was at his usual fighting weight around 219-222.
    No fighters need weights. If you do the right exercises you will build muscle in all the needed places.
     
  11. McGrain

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    Well, it depends upon what you mean. He did seated chess press, cables, pull-down, shoulder press, neck-crunches, for sure. We can see him in the above footage doing additional weight-training...how regular these were, i'm not sure.

    But he didn't seem to train for boxing with very heavy weights. Is that what you mean?
     
  12. Unforgiven

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    Yes.
    I don't think his physique in the 80s was built on weights, (which requires "heavy" weights) although that was the media-assumption. From what I can gather (from the footage, and from contemporary sources, statements from Bruno himself) he almost adhered to the 'old wisdom' that heavy weight-training could be deterimental to boxing training, and kept the exercises light.
    He was addicted to exercise, a fitness fanatic. Did a lot of swimming too.

    Most people agree that to really make significant mass and strength gains quickly requires heavy weight training, pushing sets to a certain threshold at least fairly close to momentary muscular failure in a relatively low rep range. I don't think Bruno necessarily was doing this. I'd say he probably wasn't.

    I think people see the muscles on some of this fighters (Bruno, Tyson, Norton etc.) and automatically assume that they must spend time pumping some serious iron. And it most cases of people with such physiques it would be true. Some men are just carry that mass naturally, or develop it with exercises that requiree far less resistance - they are not remotely close to being 'normal' natural specimens. But there's no reason why elite athletes, heavyweight talents, should be 'normal'. Often they are freaks, or exceptions at least.
     
  13. McGrain

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    I'm satisfied that Bruno didn't train very heavy weights as a young fighter when he was in camp. Whether or not he trained this way when he wasn't in camp? Who knows?
     
  14. PowerPuncher

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    Well there's nothing to distinguish between the 2, both are resistance exercises with weight, its just 1 uses bodyweight the other barbell weight. The problem with dips is 2 fold. Firstly they neglect 1 of the most important punching group in the shoulders. Secondly without adding a weight belt you can only lift your body weight, for maximal strength 2-3 times bodyweight should be the target to achieve, merely doing higher reps does not help this goal, it actually makes you better conditioned but not as explosive. Simply put this doesn't maximise strength in the muscle group

    Tyson's speed/balance/power was seemingly achieved from practising boxing with great technique at high speed while developing a strong core/mid section and legs. It certainly wasn't achieved from supplemental exercises like dips. And just because you can find an example of Tyson doing something doesn't mean he couldn't have done something else to achieve even better results. Lastly Tyson over time switched to powerlifting lifts, was this lazy training or did he notice benefits from them?