I wonder about this idea that IF Solis comes in shape, he will beat Vitali. It seems ridiculous to assume that an athlete (in any physically demanding sport) can perform at a world level after years of obesity and one grueling training camp that was needed as a weight loss bootcamp. Great fighters stayed somewhat in shape year round and got into peask shape and finetuned their skills in camp. Being obese hardly allows a fighter to improve skills, accurary, timing etc. So, even if Solis shows up in shape once, what about the huge disadvantage of wasting the past few years with obesity instead of imrpoving his skills? If people say that Ali, Holmes and other greats of the past would beat Vitali I can understand that, although I wouldn't always agree. However if Ali, Holmes etc. would have been 40 pounds overweight for 3 - 4 years and then try to get into shape for a fight with Vitali, I think it would be ridiculous to favor them, any ATG would be an udnerdog with yeras of no discipline before fighting Vitali.
Although it is a fact that Solis has been overweight for the last couple of years, he has never been obese. Furthermore his overweight has been exaggerated, because the Solis the public remember is the one who at 20 fought Haye in the World Championship with solid 200 lbs. Still as an amateur, and after 2005 however, Solis moved to the superheavyweight division, where he often appeared with a weight over 230 lbs. Since his move to the professional ranks he has put a good deal of additional muscles, but of course some fat. Still his cardio is at the highest level, and among the heavyweights he has one of the highest workrate and stamina.
I totally agree with you, taobum. One single 10 week camp doesn't bring your stamina and athletic ability to the levels they could have been if one never had been overweight and out of shape. For some reason Solis and his camp do not think that stamina will be an issue. I constantly hear Solis handlers praise how "effectively Solis is moving around the ring" even though he has extra baggage to carry around.
He might be able to move around the ring well against journeyman and flabby Ray Austin, but Vitali is a completely different story.
he did awful vs austin. couldnt even knock him out. He wont have enough time to get in good enough shape to beat vitali. he wont be in klischko or haye shape to be good enough to actually make the most of his potential that he has wasted.
I caught the later stages of his fight with Ray Austin recently. He didn't gas out, but for sure the guy would have be better off not carrying that extra flab. He seemed slower with his shots than from the videos I'd seen of him from earlier in his career. I think if he shows up in that shape Vitali is going to be able to win the fight just with his jab. Good boxer though, very calm in the ring, a calculated killer type in the mould of Kostya Tszyu. He has a good variety in his attack, works the body, obviously very strong. He also seems very confident in himself in and out of the ring. If he shows up in the best shape of his pro career he will make a great fight of it.
Obesity is clinically defined as BMI above 30 and based upon the last weight against Austin he has a BMI of 33.8. So technically he is obese and even if you figure in the fact that Solis has more muscle mass than the average person you also have to factor in that his walk around weight must be more, so in reality he is an obese boxer.
Bomber these ranges are calculated for normal people, and they don't apply for athetes, therefore they are useless in this case ...
Yeah by those standards Tyson would've been obese in his prime lol. Body fat tests are a more accurate testing method for obesity. Obesity and fitness do have an effect on each other but aren't directly proportional
I know which is why I mentioned that in my previous post but his walk around weight must be higher than the 260lbs he came in at against Austin so in reality he is an obese man that trains down from being obese down to just being overweight. And what is Solis' bodyfat % I would say it is at least 25%.
OK; but Solis probaly is a lot heavier between fights. Also an athlete is hurt far more by being overweight than an average person. Training hard takes a lot of recuperative powers, being fat is an additional burden, more toxins to flush out, more oxygen used up etc. Also, my original question is about how being overweight or obese, whatever you want to call it, affects a boxer's ability to improve, skills, coordination, timing etc. How would Ali have fared if he ever had ballooned up to 250 - 260 pounds for a 2 - 3 year period? My guess is the would have been reduced to a contender.
Compare Solis from 260lbs to 247, and there's a huge difference in physique appearance. He's a naturally big guy now, and unfortunately it gets harder to cut down once your body gets used to a certain level of body fat with regards to metabolism...
In 2004, at the age of 24, Solis fought at 201. His last fight out he was 260, and he's been in the 270s...that is indeed technically, medically, obese.
Worst thing with Solis is that he is denying to be overweight. At least Arreola admits it's a problem, so there's a (slight) chance he will keep it in check. Solis would normally lose to Vitaly in his late 30's early 40's anyway, but at least at 225 he would actually have a chance.