Do you view a Lewis vs Klitschko rematch was really necessary?

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  1. SportsLeader

    SportsLeader Chilling Full Member

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    Indeed.

    Plus, I have never read that the thumb was the cause of the cut in any article I have read.

    I don't think Bremen's latest point justified his argument at all.
     
  2. tommygun711

    tommygun711 The Future Full Member

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    Yep. Vitali made it very close. He deserved a rematch, but I won't stoop to the low of most klitschko nuthuggers, saying that Vitali WON. He didn't. Lewis won and he won fairly as well.

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  3. bremen

    bremen Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It is clear from the gif that the thumb went up right into the eye socket. The thumb caused massive cut above the eye. The doctor stopped the fight because he felt that swelling from the cut above the eye was blocking the line of sight. By the boxing rules if the injury was caused by an intentional or an accidental foul and the fight continued and later stopped because legal punches made the injury worse - technical decision (scorecards) decide the winner.

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  4. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    was it neccessary? no. infact a better ending for his career would have been to beat ruiz, byrd and wladimir.

    and at that stage of respective careers he'd have been a huge favourite over all 3 of them.

    a vitali rematch isn't necessary for a few reasons. one was that lewis was coming on very strong and had vitali badly hurt. and the most important one is that he beat vitali so badly he physically couldn't continue.

    now if a bit of shoulder pain was enough to make vitali quit, im sure another 6 rounds of lewis right hands on his half remaining face would have sent him into a long rest from the sport.

    the facts are people don't remember lewis for vitali. thats just like the cherry on his cake.

    people remember lewis for being an olympic gold meddalist. for beating the best domestic contenders. for clearing out his division. for avenging all of his defeats and draws. for making riddick bowe throw his belt in the bin.

    infact if people could go back and change anything about lewis's career, it wouldn't be anything to do with vitali, it would be making the tyson/holyfield fights happen earlier, it would probably be making the riddick bowe fight happen. then it would be fighting wlad. vitali doesn't even make the top 5 "changeable facets" of lewis' career.

    so to answer the thread, no it isn't.

    in order what would have been necessary would be:

    fighting bowe when he was undisputed
    fighting tyson in 96
    fighting holyfield a bit sooner
    fighitng wladimir whilst he was wbo champ
    fighting hide whilst he was wbo champ
    not losing to mccall/rahman
    having straight judges for the first holyfield fight
    staying around and fighting byrd
    staying around and fighting ruiz

    they would be more beneficial to lewis's career then a rematch over vitali.

    and i'm not a hater, vitali is one of my favourite fighters actually. in his prime i believe there is not one boxer in history that beats him 10 times out of 10. i believe there is not one boxer in history that would have an easy night vs him.

    more beneficial to vitali's career (than rematching lewis) would be staying injury free and cleaning up the division bar wlad. that would have meant he dominated a division and became the next dominat champ.

    rematches don't always happen. especially when one fighter has stopped another. how many rematches has vitali himself had? hide was up on the cards when he got stopped. he never righted the wrong vs byrd. his brother wladimir never righted the wrongs vs purrity and sanders.

    can people not just remember the fight for what it should be? an amazingly fantastic heavyweight fight. the last great hw scrap we fans have witnessed.
     
  5. jpab19

    jpab19 Exploding Muffin Dad Full Member

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    His basis for it being a cut is that:

    ''The rematch was being negotiated for December, tons of money was on the line and there was no point in stirring the controversy, pissing everybody off and jeopardizing the negotiations.''

    That's why he thinks it was a thumb that caught Vitali in the eye? Because AFTER the fight there was negotiations for a rematch and Lewis retired? I think a certain group of huggers are talking out of their respective arses here.
     
  6. jpab19

    jpab19 Exploding Muffin Dad Full Member

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    Em, my point was that there was no way the stitching of the glove caused the cut UNDER the eye. An opinion you have just reaffimed by talking about a different cut.
     
  7. RightCross

    RightCross Grandmaster of Boxing Full Member

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    :good

    The best heavyweight fight since Ali/Frazier and amongst two of the best, if not the two best HW h2h fighters of all time.

    Controversial ending from a cut, that was controversial in how it was caused. Really was unfinished business. Lewis essentially denied the fans the biggest HW fight since the 70's. Either Lewis was genuinely finished with boxing or he was afraid of Vitali or both only Lewis knows.
     
  8. bremen

    bremen Boxing Addict Full Member

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    How's the cut below the eye relevant to the stoppage? Lewis had a massive cut across his nose - that did not stop the fight either.
     
  9. RightCross

    RightCross Grandmaster of Boxing Full Member

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    The cut under the eye could not have stopped the fight. It didnt affect his vision. The only cut that mattered was the cut above the eye which was landed by either a thumb or a glancing blow. Either way a cut stoppage is not a satisfactory conclusion when Lennox was losing the fight.
     
  10. jpab19

    jpab19 Exploding Muffin Dad Full Member

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    Nor did I say it did. But you said it was caused by stitching on the glove, which I do not believe. I never said it stopped the fight, you seem to think saying I did will help your arguement, which it doesn't. You brought it up, not me, and I questioned it.
     
  11. Earl-hickey

    Earl-hickey Boxing Junkie banned

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    Not really.

    I would of liked to see it though to put away any doubt
     
  12. bam bam

    bam bam Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think so.
    When the loser is up on all three cards and at the end of the fight the crowd are cheering him while booing the winner who then spends the next 6 months talking up a rematch its necessary.
     
  13. T.S.

    T.S. T.Stout Full Member

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    Well you're completely biased against Vitali but aside from that yeah that was one big rematch that was never made. Could have been huge. If Lewis thought he could have won he would have given the rematch. Why not another 30 million or so for the "same old, same old"?

    Like the Beatles Lewis knew when to quit when ahead :good
     
  14. Faerun

    Faerun Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    OP is biased as **** and is engulfed by hatred but yeah, a rematch would've been great.
     
  15. Jazzo

    Jazzo Non-Facebook Fag Full Member

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    Lewis beat VK so bad the doctor had to save him.

    Lewis had been done for a couple of years too.