Darcy versus SRR

He has his rose colored Darcy goggles on Senya. He cant read anything that might be construed as a negative fact about Darcy.

 

What deck stacked against what fighters??

No.. I don't believe Senya's quote. I'd like to see the Newspaper, date, location and sportswriter's name who recorded the aleged quote..... or atleast two of the four. We'll try for one of the four to begin with.

"Sully this, Sully that". The trip to the USA would have been very financial for O'Sullivan. I've been trying to explain that to you. The trip to the USA would have also been just as financially beneficial to Mick Hawkins. Both would have been VERY well catered for. One difference being that O'Sullivan could not help but run around and assume a higher role. No one had afforded him the right to sign contract with Gibbons on Darcy's behalf. You just don't read!!!!

Regarding Rowlands, I might spend the next 3 minutes researching his career. I'll be up to speed with you by then, as you've claimed to know plenty about Darcy, and quickly proven wrong. It won't be any different with Rowlands. I'm not suggesting he's a great fighter.. Never did. I'm simply stating that one clown who couldn't keep his punches above Darcy's waste, and another two respected Yanks, of world class standing, couldn't finish him inside the distance in the mentioned fights. You're right though, it really means little, as none of the three fighters were that dangerous at the time anyway.

 

anywhere other than australia and that 'clown' has a tko over your boy. so what does that make darcy?

 

That makes Darcy a fighter who'd won 6 completed rounds of boxing against Smith. :hi::hi::hi::hi:

I'm having fun with Klomps. :happy:happy

Go on, ask me another stupid question.

 

Are you sure about this? From what I've read Smith was having slightly the better of their first bout with Les coming on strong. I forget the exact nource (I'll have to dig it up somehow), but it was an Australian newspaper

 

Which one do you want? This http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8783507&postcount=113 ? It is from 1917-01-24 The Albany (NY) Evening Journal (page 10)

Here's another one from next day, while not quoting Darcy's words, but clearly implying that O'Sullivan is managing the matches:
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=J-ba04ztB30C&dat=19170125&printsec=frontpage
Pittsburgh Gazette Times, scroll to page 10, the top of first column

 

1917-02-19 The Brooklyn Daily Eagle (page 2)
By "RICE"
Darcy Answers O'Sullivan.
Les Darcy, the Australian middleweight, writes from his camp at Goshen, N.Y., to deny that he was an ingrate when he fired Edward Timothy O'Sullivan as his manager. He declares that O'Sullivan never was his manager and that there was no contract between them. When Darcy first arrived here he distinctly told the newspapermen that O'Sullivan was his manager. Darcy now says that the firing took place before O'Sullivan signed him to meet Jeff Smith and Mike Gibbons.

 

"RICE" was there when the tug landed? I'll go through the NY papers in a minute and see if "RICE" makes mentions the following day in The Brooklyn Daily Eagle. I've never read a report from any press at the time of Darcy's arrival suggesting that.

The first effort is not much better than this. I've stated a half dozen times that O'Sullivan would have been afforded certain duties whilst with Darcy in the USA. However, he was not, ever, in a position to sign a single document on Darcy's behalf. O'Sullivans 'freedoms' ceased right there. Discussing fight offers with Les and looking at contracts thrown forward was his limit.

 

1916-12-23 New York Evening Telegram (page 9)
The Australian champion has made no arrangements regarding a manager yet, but it is quite likely that O'Sullivan will act in that capacity, at least temporarily, though for the time being the general direction of his affairs is in the hands of "Tex" Rickard.

 

1916-12-24 New-York Tribune (page S1)
By W. O. M'GEEHAN
Darcy arrived on the Standard Oil tanker Cushing, after an adventurous journey from Australia, which consumed over two months. His trainer and acting manager, J. G. O'Sullivan, accompanied him. On the Cushing, Darcy was travelling under the name of Dawson, having shipped as a fireman.
1916-12-24 New-York Tribune (page S3)
(continued)
"Yes, I know Kearns," said Darcy. "He sent me a blank contract to Australia, but I never signed with him. I am not tied up with anybody on this trip. Mr. O'Sullivan is my manager and we will take care of ourselves. A lot of people tried to get me to sign contracts before I left Australia."


1916-12-28 New York Evening Telegram (page 10)
By P. T. KNOX.
While discussing Darcy's prospects in this country, E. J. O'Sullivan, who Darcy declares, is his manager, warmed up to the subject like a regular manager, and, among other things, casually remarked:--

 

1916-12-30 New York Evening Telegram (page 8 )
Darcy Picks Winner in Managerial Sweepstakes
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"Tim" O'Sullivan the Choice, with O'Rourke, Harvey and Others Also Rans in Big Field--Several Local Clubs to Hold Bouts To-Night.
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By HYATT DAAB.
Les Darcy will not have an American manager. "Tom" O'Rourke, "Charley" Harvey and the others who entered the managerial sweepstakes have faded gradually out of the picture and E. J. "Tim" O'Sullivan, Darcy's companion on the journey from Australia, alone remains.
Darcy has decided definitely to let O'Sullivan handle his affairs while in this country. "Tex" Rickard, however, will act as his chief adviser. The Australian will enter into no contracts without first consuilting the promoter.
"I have decided that 'Tim' O'Sullivan is to be my only manager in this country," remarked the young Australian. "We are old friends and get on very well together. He knows the boxing game thoroughly and is in every way competent to look after my business."
Darcy's declaration will put an end to all speculation as to whether he would employ an American to manage him. And Darcy's decision undoubtedly will find favor with a majority of the boxing enthusiasts. With O'Sullivan to handle the details of his business affairs and Rickard to direct him through the mazed of the more important propositions, it is safe to say Darcy's campaign in the ring will bring him big profits if he be successful. In electing to follow the advice of "Tex" Rickard Darcy has made a most popular decision.

 

You've done well Senya. Now, to prove this is anything less than a tongue-in-cheek comment, find me a contract. But firstly, tell me why the journalist was unable to spell O'Sullivan's name correctly??

Isn't it odd to you that Rickard went into immediate action, providing a hotelroom at the Broztell, cabling France to seek out Carpentier, organising Darcy to train at the gym etc. etc. etc. All the while 'Sully' did little more than sightseeing.

 

I wonder which pub this journalist was drinking in when he wrote this story?? 'Old friends'?? Old friends that knew each other for 4 months.

 

According to their agreement with Rickard, Darcy was to wait two weeks for news about the Carpentier bout, and after that he was free to negotiate with any promoter he wanted.
Meanwhile (waiting for Carpentier) Darcy was refusing offers right and left, from $25000-30000 for one bout to $75000 for three bouts, he turned all of them down.
NY Sun and NY Times also refer to O'Sullivan as Darcy's manager.