Floyd could have been so much bigger

Dont use marquez and gatti as examples to show how great floyd is, that is exactly what he himself would do try to justify the marquez fight to prove he is better then pac.

 

Look at who he beat:

Mosley
Marquez
Hatton
De la Hoya
Baldomir
Judah
Mitchell
Gatti
Castillo
Corrales
Hernandez

That's a very solid resume, lots of good fighters there and a few excellent ones. He missed one great fighter, Pac. Cotto was no better than most of the fighters on that list, neither was Margarito, and I think we all know what would have happened in those fights - another one-sided boxing lesson.

I agree he missed his career-defining fight (so far). But he hasn't retired for good yet, and with his technical style he could fight into his 40s and still be competitive. Even Leonard waited until Hagler was getting old and slow before challenging him. We may yet see the Pac/Floyd fight come to fruition.

 

Why not? A boxers fights are relevant to how good he is. It's not like I only mentioned those two fights, and I never said he was better than Pac, in fact I insinuated that Pac had overtaken him.

Anyone who says Floyd is not a great fighter simply reveals their ignorance of boxing. Is he a top 10 P4P? No. Has he fulfilled his potential? No. Is he a great fighter? Of course he is. A bit like RJJ really, who the guy I was replying to said was on another level. RJJ also didn't make his career-defining fight (against DM), and was accused of having a thin resume.

 

best technician without the will to fight the big names. i love floyd as a fighter. but he lacks in belief in himself i assume. since we all beleieve that he can woop anyone in front of him. i jut wish he would be have more of cojones and give the fans whe we want. the best fighting the best. i still beleive hes going to fight cotto and pac. i think hes waiting for the right time. boxing is a business first.

 

Floyd could have been top 5 of all time if he remained active after beating Hatton in spectacular fashion, his stock was at his highest. At that time, many recognized him as the biggest draw in boxing, all eyes were on him.

I can't but think where Floyd would be right now IF he carried on dominating opposition after the Hatton fight. Ever since beating Hatton I feel his fanbase has vastly deteriorated.

 

Ya...im so ****ing excited to see pac weight drain everyone he fights...dont even know where to start.

 

fighting the "big names" only mean so much...it's when you fight people too, not just adding names to the resume

 

I would say that BHOP is a better technician than Floyd but Floyd has more physical gifts (speed, explosiveness) than BHOP.

Also I can see why you overrate Floyd if you think he made Castillo look like an uneducated bar-room brawler despite most people thinking Castillo beat Floyd the first go and even the 2nd was just a 2 round affair. You act like Floyd hasn't lost any rounds but it's not true. He was also getting schooled by Judah in the first quarter and Mosley had him on ***** street as did Corley. And even Oscar took 4 or 5 rounds off Mayweather when he was at the tail end of his career.. As for Hatton you wanna see someone making him look like an uneducated bar-room brawler the Pac fight is much more indicative of that than the Mayweather fight. And Gatti who gives a **** not only has he never been an elite fighter but FLoyd also fought him when he was at the end of his career.

Floyd is overrated. Ali, RJJ **** all over him. Technical is just 1 aspect of the game. The better technician does not necessarily make the better boxer. And Floyd is NOT the best technician since Duran. Like I said that would be Bernard Hopkins who has alot less speed and explosiveness than Floyd and is still at an elite level in his late 40s.

Don't get me wrong Floyd is a good fighter and a great technician but he does not have the overall ability in the ring of guys like Duran, Ali, Pep, RJJ, or Pacquiao.

 

i disagree... no fighter can fight everyone. mayweather fought everyone who was at the top at the time. hatton was undefeated, Del a hoya was still relavtively good and Mosely was considered the truth welterweight (that manny first avoided as per his own trainers lips). marquez had destoyed Diaz and took manny too the limit. he fought a Prime Judah, welterweight champ Baldomir.

another interesting thing is, when he fought Corales people forget that Mayweather was outweight 17lbs on fightnight... thats the same as pacquiao vs margarito fightnight and that was Corales in his prime! can

can you imagine what (lets say) a Paul williams at welterweight weight would have done to Manny Pacquiao weighing 135lbs... it would have been absolutelty horrible :!:


all in all both Manny and Mayweather have both had the chance to fight the best and imo they have, just not every single fighter thats out there... but to be honest the only boxer in recent memory who has in bernard hopkins.

manny and floyd both deserve ATG status for there resumes alone undoubtably :bbb

 

Marquez isa lightweight he had no business at 147 vs floyd who also broke the catchweight agreement. He looked fat and slow and logically got outclassed. I think floyd beats him at 130/135 as well but jmm would have a better shot and then it would be a fair to compare it to the pac fight. Even then you would here the styles make fighst argument.
But saying it to make floyd look impressive is as wrong as saying pac is much better because he schooled de la hoya while floyd won a sd. even though the circumstances were very different.
If we want to say how good mayweather is in my eyes the best wins are corrales, de la hoya,judah, castillo and hatton.
I never doubted Floyds talent, his heart and balls on the other hand has been doubted by many plenty of times.

 

If he had eaten his veggies when he was younger he could have been 6' 1" instead of 5' 8" :yep

 

All I want is for someone to show me 2 things.

1) Show me how he supposedly ducked Margo. He was offered 8million.....who did he fight instead and how much did he get? Did the other guy have title? Please show me how the Margarito offer was the best on the table so that it could be qualified as a duck.

2) Show me where after Hatton the fight, there were sincere attempts by Cotto's people to make a fight with Mayweather since after all, Mayweather was the #1p4p cash king of the sport. I mean are claiming he ducked this guy.

 

Nonsense. At almost any point excluding Cotto after Margarito and Pacquiao, and Margarito after Mosley and Pacquiao, those two names enhance Mayweather's legacy. You may believe they are not in Mayweather's league, and you may believe Mayweather deals with them with ease (I think Mayweather beats them both at any point)...but they enhance his legacy.

(Especially considering his "retirement" and his comeback bout being Marquez...they certainly would have, and maybe still could enhance his legacy).

 

Nonsense.......Margo definitely wouldn't have done **** for his resume. Great fighters are remembered for their skill abilites. Ali's footwork, Sugar ray's lighting combinations, JCC body punching, Tyson's peekaboo bob weaver and ability to get inside and throw rapid fire combinations, Mayweather's defense, accuracy and adaptability.

What's Margo going to be remembered for. His Uncanny ability to block punches with his face? His slow as punches that take 2weeks to get to the target? His slow as feet moving like he has on cement boots? Getting raped twice when he finally fought some world class competition? Are getting caught trying to cheat?

Marg is a joke who wasn't in Mayweather's league, and is now a disgraced piece of ****.

 

You don't have to be in someone's league to beat them! It's basically as simple as that. Cotto and Margarito have been the top names in and around the Welterweight division for the last how many years(?)...a victory over either would have topped his best win at 147lbs, in turn enhancing his legacy.

Did Mosley's destruction of Margarito not enhance his legacy?

And great fighters are not only just remembered for their 'skill ability'...add their resume, their willingness to fight the best (whether the best has no skill or not)...I can go on.

Like I said, that statement is nonsense.