I'm not fussed about Newspapers referring to O'Sullivan as being Darcy's manager. The can claim they're 'old friends' too. I've stated that offers were coming in thick and fast, as they were.. no secret there. I've also stated that Darcy was waiting for the confirmation of a bout with Carpentier, and later McCoy, so for anyone to suggest the offers were REFUSED is bull****. One fight at a time... and keep track on the available fights. I've already mentioned that also. That's clever business sense, don't you think Senya?? What's the American way?? If a fighter doesn't sign a fight contract everyday, he's refusing a bout??? Logic, if used, suggests that Darcy was showing a great deal of respect to Tex Rickard, who was in the midst of securing Carpentier.
Darcy wasn't very consistent with his intentions from the start. You mentioned it yourself that he was even willing to fight one of his former opponents for free (them sharing the expenses for renting the auditorium and free admittance of spectators) during the time he was preparing for a bout with McCoy. After it was known that McCoy would have to face Dillon first, Darcy wasn't in a hurry to accept any offers either. He might have respect for Rickard, but Tex learned about Darcy signing for voudeville tour from newspaper men, not from Darcy himself, even though they two were discussing things earlier the same day. And after Rickard was unable to come up with anything good (this was first or second week of January), Darcy warned him he has to do something, or they have no business anymore. Rickard failed to secure anything, so Darcy had no obligations for him either by mid-January.
Darcy won six completed rounds against Smith? That doesnt jive with ANY account including those that originate in Australia. Indeed, most reports give Smith at least four of those six rounds.
The Carpentier-Darcy bit is a joke. While the idea of the match was floated (at the same time Rickard was trying to entice Carpentier to fight Willard) there was absolutely no reason to believe the fight would be made. Zero. Carpentier was in the service of his country during the war and had made it clear that he would not fight again until the war was over (a sentiment Darcy obviously did not share). It would be two years before Carpentier left the service and would resume his boxing career.
It should also be noted that it was Sullivan, not Darcy who signed Darcy to fight Al McCoy in the match which eventually got Darcy banned from boxing in New York State. A match which Darcy had agreed to and was in training for. Darcy was not even in New York City when that match was signed, being on his vaudville tour. Sullivan was left in the city to act as his representative, he did, with Darcy's sanction.
Thanks. For a minute there I thought I'd lost my mind or something. I feared I was going to have to go spelunking into my closet and exhume my research from the graveyard of boxes and files (a scary task for anyone). From what I read Darcy was in no way dominating Smith and I'm not convinced that he ever would have. Maybe, but it is no fait accompli.
The other great sporting names from Australia's past were Andrew "boy" Charlton and Dawn Fraser both swimmers we have this thing where our sporting heroes become legends and it is almost sacrosanct to criticise them.
****ing hell Klompton, I can see why this Greb book is taking so long for you to write! The amount of time you've spent regurgitating ****, trying to prove that someone on the internet is wrong :roll: .... you could have done a couple more chapters of the book! :-(
This 'discussion' will never definitively end, one way or another. A lot of records of what really happened are sketchy due to the time that's elapsed and as always happens when a fighter dies before realising his potential the legend becomes larger than the sum of his achievements
you have a good point. part of my problem is my time is divided far too much between outside interests and a ton of boxing related interests.
You and Mr Sinn , are the new McVey V Mendoza :good More intent on proving each other wrong ,than staying on topic. :bbb:bbb:bbb:bbb:bbb:bbb:bbb:bbb
Why do you suppose American fighters went to Australia in the first place? Why would their managers put them in such a position of disadvantage?Why did the Americans fight not once, but some of them numerous times in Australia? Why did the Americans want to return to Australia? Your arguement apparently has no basis, because it just does not add up... You steadfastly stated that the first five rounds of Darcy/Chip were even...they were not!!! Darcy dominated that fight. btw- You have not proven anything to the contrary, and you have not offered opinion on discrepancies in the way the fighters were handled in the filmed fights involving Darcy...and your vitrolic words regarding Darcy (and Australians) in general, states volumes of your mindset and rationality, or lack of it. Fact: Darcy's potential was there, or he would not have been able to defeat a man like George Chip like he did. Harry Greb was not able to do that at that point in time. I happen to think that Darcy would have continued to become better, and would have been quite a formidible addition to a great era.
What a load of ****. The fourth goes to Smith. You're writing a book on Greb?? :rofl:rofl:rofl FFS!!! Does that mean your mummy lets you play on her typewriter. :happy