Floyd could have been so much bigger

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by sadler1982, Feb 4, 2011.


  1. AnthonyW

    AnthonyW ESB Official Gif Poster Full Member

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    Not really, not every boxer on that list is Top Rank. But you still don't seem to get the whole point. Every one of those bouts may have been hard to make, but they still got made. Mayweather "retired" after Hatton, an attempt to make these bouts was not made.
     
  2. AnthonyW

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    Whether it was down to his relationship with Arum or not, those bouts didn't happen. It hurts his legacy...and my whole argument for this was that those bouts would have enhanced his legacy, and it's true.
     
  3. victor879

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    Every fighter on that list is Top Rank other than Mosley and Williams. That is it. And I didn't see Top Rank trying to make fights with Williams after he beat Margarito either by the way. They flat out ducked him while he was at 147.

    What did you want Mayweather to do? Fight for free? You are seriously confused.

    If Bob Arum refuses to offer the money for Mayweather to fight, how is that Mayweather's fault? Bob Arum is ON RECORD specifying why he did not pay Mayweather, and that is the reason he did not fight Cotto and Margarito. It was AFTER THE FACT, that Arum came back with all the "Mayweather is scared" nonsense. And that is exactly what it is, nonsense.

    You don't seem to get it: Bob Arum is the one holding the cards, not Mayweather. He is the one controlling most of the fighters, and he is the one with the money.
     
  4. AnthonyW

    AnthonyW ESB Official Gif Poster Full Member

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    Mayweather was not around to even try and make those bouts, how can you defend that?
     
  5. boxsensei

    boxsensei Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Noo, you're argument was that some of the fights must have been doable because they all fought each other. The me and my man thumped you over the head with the fact that those fighters all have the same boss. Now you're back to not caring why the fight didn't happen.

    And my argument that Cotto, and Marg, were sabotaged from happening by Bob Arum and that they no bearing on his legacy.

    But I do believe that the Pac would enhance it legacy and it remains to be seen whether or not it will happen.
     
  6. victor879

    victor879 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You have your facts mixed up.... Let me educate you on some history. Cotto and Margarito was supposed to happen BEFORE he fought Hatton.

    BEFORE Mayweather was going to leave Top Rank and buy himself out of his contract, Bob Arum tried to offer him a 3 fight deal: Margarito, Cotto, and Hatton. Arum offered a deal of something like $8 million per fight.

    Mayweather responded: He was OK with 8 million for Margarito and Cotto, but he wanted 10 million for Hatton, and 20 for Oscar. Arum said no, and walked away from the deal. These are FACTS by the way, not opinion.

    The rest is history. Arum stated he didn't think Mayweather could generate that kind of money, and he was completely wrong. Mayweather went on to his biggest paydays ever, and Bob Arum is pissed that he didn't get his cut.
     
  7. boxsensei

    boxsensei Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Defend what? He has retired several times and come back. If there was fair offer put towards him, he just signs to fight and he's unretired. Its that simple. You act like he disappeared to a remote country or something.
     
  8. boxsensei

    boxsensei Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Exactly man. Its so simple to see but yet haters are so blind and irrational, that even cold, hard facts don't affect them.
     
  9. AnthonyW

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    Look back to my first post.
     
  10. The Mongoose

    The Mongoose I honor my bets banned

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    Mayweather would be soooo much bigger if he declared himself the "Lord and Savior Jesus Christ" and had sex with farm animals while wearing a crown of thorns.
     
  11. AnthonyW

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    Let me educate you? :lol:

    I'll defend Mayweather if it's needed, but it still doesn't stop the FACT that he retired when everyone else was fighting each other, Top Rank or not. He was not there to negotiate these bouts...and back to my main point, these bouts would enhance his legacy.
     
  12. bballchump11

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    Floyd's body was breaking down and I think the vacation gave his body time to heal. I'm with you and wish he'd taken that route though and I'm sure he wouldn't have been robbed of fighter of the decade
     
  13. AnthonyW

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    No I don't, but he still was not active to negotiate those bouts, "he just signs to fight and he's unretired"...that's an assumption.

    Haters? What kind of childish bull**** is that.

    Pretty much everyone on the General knows I'm a Mayweather fan, he's my favourite boxer, but I will not defend him to the hills. Everything he does is not 100% correct, he is not always in the right. That's what you get with sporting figures, the good and the bad...I will not defend the bad blindly like you two are attempting to do.
     
  14. boxsensei

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    You're not making sense. He was retired and then negotiated to come back and fight Hatton. He was retired, and then negotiated to come back and fight Marquez. Leonard was retired, and then negotitated to come back and fight Hagler.

    Him being retired had nothing to do with anything. It was simply a matter that Bob Arum was content to have his fighter fight each other and didn't want to do business with or make fair offers to Mayweather.
     
  15. EpsilonAxis

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    :good

    To me, boxing has an absolutely terrible sense of promotion.

    I mean look at fight posters. They've looked the same since as long as I can remember.

    You take a guy like Manny Pacquiao...the biggest fighter on the planet. Normal people know his name. And you know what he endorses? He's got a cheap casino commercial in the LA area. What the ****?

    Get the mother****er in a nike ad or something.