Did You Fear That Ali Would Have Been Assasinated During The 1960s?

I wasn't alive then so no.

 

They were a religious cult, and a capitalist enterprise.
As an entity of that type of course they wanted more freedom. Their "fight" took on the form of building mosques and businesses. They wanted "independence" even, but that surely doesn't make them part of Civil Rights movement or freedom fighters.

So, they said some things that went against the grain. This doesn't make them part of the Civil Rights movement, moderate, radical, extreme or otherwise.
They were a religious cult with a racial bent, nothing to do with any wider movement.

Well, they spoke to George Lincoln Rockwell, Fuhrer of the American Nazi Party. I guess he was part of the civil rights movement too.

Ali always deferred to "The Honorable Prophet and Messenger Elijah Muhammad" in the 1960s.
As I've said all along, his statements make clear his devotion to the doctrine of the NOI and Elijah Muhammad, who were not friends of the civil rights movement, or allied with any black group that was. They were largely opposed to that sort of thing.
That's what I think anyway.

Ali's anti-war stance is something different again. There's no doubt that he became part of that

 

You make good points McGrains. My take:

1. The NOI's main aim was not to amend the current system in order to put them on equal footing with whites, but to create a separate system where they didn't have to refer to whites at all. They were aiming for Civil Rights in a separate system. Yeah, this could in principle be seen as a Civil Rights movement.

2. Ali wasn't a Civil Rights activist as much as he was a living example of emancipation. Just like Johnson. They were living the dream rather than preaching it. Neither had a calculated political program, but instead made terrific impact by just bending the laws of possibility.

 

Easy there fella's,,,,,,,,,you're making a young Cassius Clay as too deep,
and way too important.

As for the 'first' Black Man to beat Uncle Sam,,,,,beat him in what.

 

Who's saying Clay was deep? Whom here has put him forth as a thinker?

I don't see him as such, I see him as someone who reacted instictively, but in the process, yeah, he was important.

 

Probably no one. But he only burped up the same things Eljiah Muhammed preached. When Eljiah died and the NOI moderated themselves, Ali expressed relief even though he had happily repeated the old message up until then. This makes him in best case an effective pawn. By his own admission he didn't express his own convictions.

One should also note that the NOI's official line on race relations during these years made little real impact. There was no actual movement towards a separate state for blacks. Native Americans have had some success with a similar line, but blacks have not. So Ali wasn't even an effective pawn really. His real impact came from the example he set by the things he did his way.

 

I like the original question,,,,,,,about possible assasination.

I don't think anyone feared that, maybe someone throwing an egg or tomato
at him,,,,,,,,,but no bullets.

 

Native Americas didnt have success of being separate.
They were put on crappy land just to stay out of the way after loosing the wars in the 1800's.

You think Crazy Horse was just murder? He was still a danger to the US goverment, even when put on land with no food.

 

maybe by Il Duce :hey

 

What members of the Malcom X group would have assassinated him?

 

It's a wonder he made it out alive.


I think the only thing that kept him alive was the fact that he was a boxer. Theres something sentimental about boxers for all old time Americans. And It always seems like when the public is against a certain boxer, they would rather see them lose than killed.


And also, as Duce said, his security was top notch.

Guess those crazy NOI's were good for something eh?


Hey Duce, thinking back to our old thread, Im curious, what would have been better for the overall well being of the human race? A man like Ali face down dead in a ditch before he even became champion, yet having 0 ties to the NOI. Or the Ali today? Something interesting to think about...

 

Mr. Reznick,,,,,,,,,Glad to see you are back..

Of course 'anyone' who can add something positive to the human race is a
benefit for all mankind.

Either you offer something positive or not, but just because someone is in
the position to offer a little more than the average Joe, does that make them
a better person than the little guy.
Something to think about........

No one should measure the good things they do in life.
You do it because, it is in your heart,,,,,,,,, not for public admiration.

 

Thank you glad to be back

"Either you offer something positive or not, but just because someone is in
the position to offer a little more than the average Joe, does that make them
a better person than the little guy.
Something to think about........"


On a philosophical and moral standpoint? No.

But unless there are deeper layers to specific special cases, yes. The man who goes out, and works to put food on other peoples table, is better than the man who only says he will put food on another mans table if given the chance.


Ali wasnt born into riches and wealth. Hes not a millions kid who gave money away to charity. He WORKED HARD to get to the position he is in. Not only did he put physical labor into the majority of his schedule since he was 12, he was also to be tested for his physical abilities in combat with other 200+ lb men. And not only did he have success, he became the best. The best of the best. He became so good, that the majority of boxing fans would argue he is one the greatest to ever do what he did.


This wasnt manifested in him. He worked and worked.


If there is a higher being, he/she/it can tell us what is right and wrong, or if even these ideas are real. But in our world as we know it, yes. He is by far better than the average Joe on the block.