Lets Talk the Cobra

If Froch wins the Super Six by beating Johnson and Ward, and then goes on to beat Bute and Pavlik, you would simply have to acknowledge him as the best career SMW in history.

 

Froch has beaten more quality opposition than Calzaghe ever did and hes still going .

 

I note facts of many fighters. People often get taken in by hype or only focus on whos around at the time forgetting who was around

 

How do you work that out :huh
Froch beat Pascal who at the time hadnt beaten anyone of note and wasnt a top 10 SMW.
Froch beat Taylor, a good come from behind victory but Taylor was only 2 fights past losing on points to Pavlik and was never a great SMW.
Froch beat Dirrell, but who has Dirrell beaten? Abraham by DQ, a former MW with no big wins.
Froch beat Abraham who was coming off a loss.
Froch lost to Kessler in a hard close fight. Who was coming off a loss

That doesnt compare anywhere near to what Calzaghe did at SMW. Consider at SMW, M Veit who Calzaghe beat has done more than Dirrell has done, just isnt as recognised.
Eubank, Woodhall, Reid, Mitchell, Kessler, Lacy etc all accomplished more at SMW than any of the mentioned fighters on Frochs win resume and that isnt all of Calzaghes resume.

 

Eubank was past it , Lacy was not quality opposition anyone who thinks that is braindead

 

the one thing I don't want to happen should Johnson lose to Froch is people to start saying that Johnson was past it and the weight cut from LHW did him in. There's every certainty that will happen though so I guess I'll just have to get over it.

However, a win over Johnson still puts yet another good name on Carl's record, no matter what you say about the man he takes on all comers and always fights the best at any given time. A run that goes Pascal, Taylor, Dirrell, Kessler, Abraham, Johnson aint bad at all, then add to that a potential fight with Andre Ward, how many people have a run like that?

 

I think by the time Froch retires he will have a better resume than Joe, not just yet though. I'm frustrated with the lack of press, respect and recognition Froch gets in the UK and elsewhere, he is a true fighter in every sense of the word.

 

You know what Calzaghe was and is an ATG super middleweight in my eyes and he's put on some classic performances but to be honest most of the guys on his record all have the same cons as the ones on froch's record so rating guys like woodhall, Sheika, Lacy, Mitchell and even Roy Jones over the men on Carl's record is kinda dumb cause I could give u the same downsides to the people on Calzaghes record.

 

How far past prime was Eubank to you then?
Eubank had lost a close decision to Collins, had a couple of tune ups and rematched Collins to a SD, had a couple of tune ups and lost clearly to underdog Calzaghe. After that loss Eubank went up to CW and challenged world champ Thompson losing a very close decision and then rematched Thompson losing on injury when ahead. Thats Thompson who years later past his best KOd D Haye.
Consider Eubank only had 2 losses to one fighter when he fought Calzaghe, the second by SD to a world champ and was 31 then went on to challenge a big CW flooring him etc, how past his prime do YOU think he was?


Remember when you make silly comments about losses was G Johnson considered past his prime when years ago after losing to Hopkins he went 7-9-2 including the Hopkins loss

As for Lacy
The other potential top American SMW of the decade could be Lacy whos career was short but shone brightly

Lacy beat Vanderpool to become champ in a fight for the vacant IBF belt vacated by Ottke
Lacy beat Sheika who went on to challenge for the WBC title after and who recently gave former WBC LHW champ Diaconu a hard fight
Lacy beat R Williams who was 26-1 at the time
Lacy beat R Reid a dangerous world rated SMW who looked unlucky against Ottke. Reid had beaten undefeated Magee who is Butes next opponent and who became European champ and after losing to Lacy beat Brinkley who coincidently, was Butes last opponent.
Lacy also beat Pemberton who was on a winning run of 5 and had twice beaten Sheika in those 5 wins.
After Lacys loss he went on to
Beat Tsypko who had beaten Magee (Butes next opponent) by close debateable decision and undefeated Adamu.
Lacy also beat the other top American SMW of his time at the top in Manfredo

Saying Lacy could possibly be Americas best SMW of the decade might not be far wrong either. It seems debateable between Lacy and Mitchell

 

I like Froch and want him to win the S6. But how does beating Glen Johnson at 42 years of age put him above Calzaghe? Calzaghe gets shitted on for beating a 43 year old Hopkins for **** sake. Yet according to this thread, should Froch beat Johnson it's an ATG win. For what, Johnson beating Allan ****ing Green?

 

Saying Lacy could possibly be Americas best SMW of the decade might not be far wrong either. It seems debateable between Lacy and Mitchell <<<< what the hell you must be crazy lol

 

Looking over The Ring magazine annual ratings from the year 2000-2009. I thought I would list The Ring magazine top 10 American Super middleweight fighters and ask some questions that lead up to today

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Like I wrote. It is arguable between Lacy and Mitchell In my opinion. Who do you think on this list is better?
Who do you think is better when you say what I wrote is crazy. Remember I said between Lacy and Mitchell

 

u did say that , i was talking about lacy and i dont care what the ring magazines ratings say , the point stands that Lazy is not the best super middleweight of the decade

 

I said arguably Americas best SMW of the decade. I gave you the list of them, so who do you think was better?
I also gave some notes on Lacy

The other potential top American SMW of the decade could be Lacy whos career was short but shone brightly

Lacy beat Vanderpool to become champ in a fight for the vacant IBF belt vacated by Ottke
Lacy beat Sheika who went on to challenge for the WBC title after and who recently gave former WBC LHW champ Diaconu a hard fight
Lacy beat R Williams who was 26-1 at the time
Lacy beat R Reid a dangerous world rated SMW who looked unlucky against Ottke. Reid had beaten undefeated Magee who is Butes next opponent and who became European champ and after losing to Lacy beat Brinkley who coincidently, was Butes last opponent.
Lacy also beat Pemberton who was on a winning run of 5 and had twice beaten Sheika in those 5 wins.
After Lacys loss he went on to
Beat Tsypko who had beaten Magee (Butes next opponent) by close debateable decision and undefeated Adamu.
Lacy also beat the other top American SMW of his time at the top in Manfredo


I agree The Ring ratings can be very bias, but results speak for themselves.
I say its a 50-50 arguement that there isnt an active American fighter at this time that has an overall better SMW resume than Lacys. Lacys resume is definately comparable to Butes the recent Ring #1 SMW

 

Think about this for a second in regards to Jeff Lacy's opponents:

Vanderpool, never beat anyone of any real class.
Sheika, whos only noteable win was against Glen Johnson.
Williams, who again, beat no-one of class.
Reid, far past his prime.
Pemberton, beat omar sheika twice who was already on a 2 then 3 loss streak. and those were his only two noteable wins.
Tyspko, only noteable win against Magee who he had to fight to a split decision.

If that sort of resume puts you in contention for being the best American SMW of the decade then that just shows how dire its been.

Calzaghe made his win look good against Lacy, but all it did was expose how poor lacy really was.