Whose weight gain is the most impressive? Pac vs RJJ

It's also less lbs.

 

who did you vote for?

 

He was actually 199lbs.


Jones was shot as **** when he lost that cruserweight fight and you know it. Why even include?

I mean if you want to include that, let's include Pac's two KO losses as well.


Either way, what both did was amazing. I'd consider it equal.

Jones moved up to 200lbs, beat Ruiz, who despite how ugly he fights, has some big wins against name opponents. Before and after he fought Jones.

 

Neither. Tie IMO. (Pac is still far greater because he beat more fighters while moving up). While Jones stayed at 175 for most of his career before going up for the big title fight.

 

roy jones looks like a natural middleweight, its just unatural for him to be at heavyweight. Hes only 5'10.
Manny Pacquiao on the other hand was never a natural flyweight, he only weighed that light because of a lack of food.

Jones is more impressive

 

But that weight counts as nothing if the advantages you would think Ruiz has as a heavyweight are non existent. Ruiz is not a large heavyweight, he does not hit very hard and is not very athleticly built, his whole game is based on being able to get close to his opponent and wearing them down. He could never have done that to Roy, dont get me wrong its an awsome achievement to win the heavyweight belt after starting out as a middle and weighing just 193lbs in the ring but he didnt beat a guy like Lewis, Klitschko or a David Haye.

 

He weighed 199 actually.


:good


Ruiz was still a good to great win.

Before Jones, Ruiz beat Holyfield then drew with him, and beat Kirk Johnson.


After Jones he beat Rahman, Quendo and Golota, lost to Toney who then cheated.

Should of got the nod vs Valuev and arguably Chageav.

Not to bad for a "mediocre fighter"

 

Roy Jones's "ATG once-in-a-century incredible" achievement of outpointing John Ruiz would have been a lot more impressive...


...if a 230lbs+ overweight past-it James Toney had not outfought and outpunched "The Quiet Man" at heavyweight as well.



It goes without saying that all the gimps on this thread blowing chunks about how good Jones's win was would be singing one VERY different tune if Pacquiao had won his welterweight strap from a fighter as shoddy as Ruiz, who had produced an effort as lame as Ruiz's.

Ruiz's performance vs Jones = Clottey's performance vs Pacquiao, ie lost more or less every round by a sensible scorecard, did not throw enough punches, did not fight to his strengths, and basically tamely surrendered in the face of a faster, better ring general despite holding clear advantages in strength and size.

And Clottey is probably Pac's worst win since he jumped above 135.

 

Roy Jones was juiced hardcore.

Pacquiao gets my vote even though he juiced as well, but not to such a freakish extent.

 

james toney

 

I'll repeat that louder since the dum-dums don't seem to know about it...


James Toney slapped the **** out of Ruiz at heavyweight as well! A 230+lbs, clearly overweight and past-prime version of Toney outfought and outpunched Ruiz.

atsch

 

atsch

 

On steroids. Or did we forget that?

 

Ruiz was actually very good at what he done seeing as he wasnt that physically gifted, his whole game was never based on being more powerful or faster than his opponent. Like i said above Roy's win must still be rated very highly due to the weight jump but Ruiz was facing his worst nightmare with RJJ, a guy who was fast and was never in the same place or close enough to catch.

 

You talking about Roy? :huh