Pavlik (That fought Miranda and then Taylor 1st fight) vs Wright

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  1. rayhogan

    rayhogan Dont worry Pac, you wont Full Member

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    Who would win in that match up of a prime Pavlik that fought Miranda and taylor vs a prime Wright that fought trinidad?????? I say Wright by a 1 sided shutout.
     
  2. dbouziane

    dbouziane ............. Full Member

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    miranda and taylor were weight drained when they fought kelly.

    dude you have an obvious renewed hate for kelly...which has coincided w/ williams going to sleep with his eyes open. ive been watching your posts and all youve done is complain about kelly pavlik for some reason. you posted in multiple threads that both taylor and miranda were weight drained, your pissing and moaning in boos thread for no good reason.

    prime wright may very well beat a prime kelly pavlik handily but even the current version of kelly pavlik would turn williams' lights out eventually. pavlik would find him in a fight eventually and i think you may have seceretly realized that after watching what happened to williams v. martinez.
     
  3. MrPR

    MrPR Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Prime Wright takes it

    116-112

    Winky would have some scary moments though,If jermain can break through Winkys guard,Pavlik can too
     
  4. rayhogan

    rayhogan Dont worry Pac, you wont Full Member

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    You should keep reading boo comments he still ain't giving Martinez credit cause he said Martinez didn't beat a focused Pavlik. He said Martinez beat a weight drain drunk Pavlik. <<<<If he wants to go there then he can't say that Pavlik beat no weight drain Miranda and not weight drain Taylor cause both of those fighters were obviously weight drain but i didn't make excuses about that before boo big mouth was making excuses of the reason why Martinez beat Pavlik.



    I told you that before Pavlik fought Martinez that if Martinez wins, booradley will make excuses like he did when Hopkins embarrass Pavlik. And darn it i was right.
     
  5. rayhogan

    rayhogan Dont worry Pac, you wont Full Member

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    Style makes fights.
     
  6. HENDO

    HENDO Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's not as simple as the thread starter is making it out to be.

    Trinidad was roughly the same size or smaller than Wright. They both had the same reach, and Winky's guard works much better for a guy his own size, especially as a southpaw.

    Tito was also only lookin for the left hook. It's as if he forgot that he had a right hand. Not to mention, that he looked rusty. Let's not try to make this out as if it was a prime Trinidad.

    Wright's Euro guard worked perfectly against Tito.

    Pavlik will be lookin for that long right hand, and he's a much bigger guy than Wright and has a 3 inch reach advantage.

    Wright will have to be aggressive in order to score with his punches and he'll walk into right hands. If he's not aggressive, Pavlik will keep his distance while walking him down, and make life miserable for the smaller Wright.

    His right hand will eventually penetrate that Euro guard and Wright will need to get desperate to win. This isn't Jermaine Taylor who has a history of gassing out and let Winky get strong against him.

    Pavlik is a huge puncher and Wright doesn't have the boxing ability of Bernard Hopkins.

    I think Wright's defense will be effective enough to keep the fight competitive, but I think Pavlik edges this one out and may have Winky holding on at the end.
     
  7. rayhogan

    rayhogan Dont worry Pac, you wont Full Member

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    Well style wise a prime Wright would easily beat a prime Pavlik at 160 pounds cause Wright will use his jab as a weapon to bother Pavlik. Pavlik is not a HUGE 1 ko puncher. Pavlik is more of a volume puncher that warns you out with his punches. Pavlik imo does not have a 1 punch ko. Pavlik can punch very hard and wins fights by tko but imo he isn't really a 1 ko puncher. Style make fights in which Wright style would have give Pavlik huge problems.
     
  8. HENDO

    HENDO Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Do you even know what the **** you're talkin about?

    Listen, a guy like Pavlik who is hard, straight puncher, is potentially a nightmare matchup for an undersized southpaw.

    For one, Wright has a 3 inch reach deficiet and is also the smaller man. This means that he's going to have to cover distance in order to land his shots on Pavlik.

    He's not a counterpuncher like Bernard Hopkins, he's a Euro style high guard fighter that controls the pace behind a jab; however, Kelly Pavlik also has a great jab.

    He was able to use his jab to great success against Taylor and Martinez.

    Winky is not a counterpuncher and mover like Martinez and Hopkins. He is going to stand right in front of Pavlik with his high guard and attempt to dictate he pace with his jab.

    But Kelly will also be jabbing and he'll be content at keeping Wright at a distance while simeltaneously pressing the fight as he usually does.

    Wright's punches, as he is not a big puncher will be of little deterence, and his high guard will inevitabily be penetrated.

    Winky will have to force the fight inside, but against Paul Williams he looked almost helpless. He appears to be a range fighter and Pavlik will have control over the range he wants.

    Like I said, his defense will keep it competitive, but eventually Pavlik's heavy hands will wear him down and force him to quit throwing.

    It's a bad matchup in my opinion for Winky. I would not suggest to any fighter to stand right in front of Pavlik.
     
  9. platnumpapi

    platnumpapi Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    the same pavlik who beat those guys would lose to winky.
     
  10. HENDO

    HENDO Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Winky is obviously overrated. Guys that kept constant pressure and punching, AKA Vargas, Soloman, and Williams managed to beat him.

    Pavlik is a big dude like Williams, hits harder, doesn't throw as many punches nor as many angles as Williams, but he has the reach and straight punches to make Winky have to bring the fight inside.

    I mean, it's concievable that Winky could win this fight on the outside because Kelly's left hook is garbage, but Winky is just gonna throw mostly counter jabs and ****, and with Kelly doublin it up it's gonna be harder to get that shot off.

    I mean, it's not like Winky has a Pac right hook or some bull****. He's a high guard jabber with decent movement.

    But it's hard as **** to close distance against a tall fighter with a good right hand when you're a southpaw.
     
  11. rayhogan

    rayhogan Dont worry Pac, you wont Full Member

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    Again style makes fights in which Wright can't see Williams punches cause it came from every angles. Pavlik throws alot of punches but most as you say are straighter punches in which that would be an advantage for Wright cause he can see it coming. Pavlik is slower then Williams and is flat footed in which also favor Wright. Yea Pavlik jab is good but it's most 1,2 and throw a straight right hand in which that's mostly what Pavlik does the same thing in which that's bad if he fought a prime Wright. Wright turtle d and his great jab will counter Pavlik's jab and i see Wright jab going to the straight left giving Pavlik nightmares. If Wright turtle d only fits smaller fighters as you say then damn Wright gave Hopkins trouble in their fight with his turtle d in which Hopkins barely won vs smaller out of shape Wright at 170 pounds. <<<The same catchweight that Hopkins easily embarrass Pavlik.
     
  12. rayhogan

    rayhogan Dont worry Pac, you wont Full Member

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    I guess hendo don't have anything ekse to say lol. And btw Williams a past his prime coming off close to a 2 year layoff Wright.
     
  13. Quincy K

    Quincy K Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    are you getting mouthy again, HENDO? or should i say DUMBO?

    do i need to come over here and give you another can of whoop-ass?

    you were awfully quiet after your failed wk/haye and lara/pw prognotications but lo and behold, it takes you all but a week to extract the foot out of that catfish-size mouth of yours and to start condescendingly talking down to people again.

    by the way, i read that you are predicting a zab KO.

    good news for khan backers.

    HENDO.

    you have to change your monicker. you are doing a grave disservice to the great dan "hendo" henderson, current lhw strikeforce champion.
     
  14. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Summary of thread:

    *ray in tears* boo likes kelly, I must discredit kelly at every juncture so much so that I put him in h2h fantasy matchups just so I can add more losses to his record

    :|:|:|

    Get over yourself and stop with these daft anti-boo and anti-aztecas threads.

    Make some more analysis based on glove wear and your love for maidana who is really freakin unbeaten man
     
  15. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    At one time Pavlik/Wright would have been a hardcore boxing fan's dream fight. A classic style match-up that put a defensive wizard in front of an offensive beast. Between 2004 and 2008 Pavlik tried to get Winky at least a half a dozen times, but Winky always made other plans.

    To this very day Winky runs his mouth about KP, but talk is all he does. No matter who we think would win, then or now, one thing is clear. Winky never wanted any part of Kelly.