Bob and Weave

Discussion in 'Boxing Training' started by JagOfTroy, Feb 9, 2011.


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  1. JagOfTroy

    JagOfTroy Jag Full Member

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    Are there any fighters out there that I could watch to learn more about upper body movement I.E. bobbing and weaving?
    We were doing a circuit today with one including the ring and ropes tied from corner to opposite corner in which we were to practice bobbing and weaving.
    The coach offers the basic idea for technique but let's us for the most part, figure out the technique on our own until we are doing something that needs to be seriously corrected.
     
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  2. P.4.P.G.O.A.T.

    P.4.P.G.O.A.T. Q Boro Killa Bee Full Member

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    Pernell Whitaker
     
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  3. Onepunch

    Onepunch Prestigeous clincher Full Member

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    Mike Tyson

    Jack Dempsey

    Tyson uses a sort of evolved version of Dempsey's head movement imo, but still uses the 'Dempsey Roll' which is the movement you tend to work bobbing under string.
     
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  4. JagOfTroy

    JagOfTroy Jag Full Member

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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_AsOroeb8w"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_AsOroeb8w[/ame]

    Watched a few videos and felt like this one gives the clearest example of the roll.

    @0:25 How exactly is it performed? Is it a normal bob and weave with an emphasis on range of motion for the head movement? Also, what exercises/stretches are good to get the most out of your hips for this? When I'm doing it now, I feel the issue I have when doing so under the rope is that my balance is off and I can't bend down as much as I'd like to due to inflexibility from weight lifting. I know just simply practicing the movement will help or shadowboxing but I'd like to know what else I could incorporate or what may have worked for others when learning to do this.

    Pernell Whitaker is amazing. I can only say that from watching his skill in dodging that it must come from experience of repetitious practice of the basics.
     
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  5. Onepunch

    Onepunch Prestigeous clincher Full Member

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    I wouldn't recommend replicating the way Dempsey did it, he advocated not bending at the knees and simply bending at the waist. This worked for him, but makes you vulnerable to uppercuts if the other guy is good with them.

    They way Tyson did it requires you to bend your knees and get low. Coupled with the idea of Dempsey's patterns of head movement and attacking from there.

    Try giving Demspey's book a read: http://www.scribd.com/doc/247258/Championship-Fighting-by-Jack-Dempsey-1950
    It explains all the movements so you can adapt them into your style.
     
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  6. JagOfTroy

    JagOfTroy Jag Full Member

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    Wow, thanks a ton onepunch. I had no clue he had a book on it. I will definitely give it a good read through and see what I can learn from it. I already felt a lot smoother and more natural doing it at practice today.
     
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  7. ShamrockNapalm

    ShamrockNapalm Rhythm Amongst The Chaos Full Member

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    Yeah thanks again OnePunch. I'm reading the book as we speak and it's great.
     
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  8. SILVIO_DANTE

    SILVIO_DANTE Active Member Full Member

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  9. withoutwire

    withoutwire Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Toney, Tyson and Whitaker were all masters, all in their own way! :good
     
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  10. P.4.P.G.O.A.T.

    P.4.P.G.O.A.T. Q Boro Killa Bee Full Member

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    I think the most fundamentally sound bobbing and weaving you'll find is Tyson's. It's textbook, and always included devastating counterpunching...
     
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  11. JagOfTroy

    JagOfTroy Jag Full Member

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    So I learned today that the upper body movement for the slips is coming from the hips. I was also leaning forward too much and ducking too low.

    Are there any exercises or resistance training you can do that will help strengthen the muscles in that area? I noticed on the double-end bag that once I was given that tip, I was finally able to move my head out of the way in rhythm with the bag but since it's still so fresh to me, it hasn't come to me naturally so I start falling out of sync and find myself getting bashed in the face when it comes back. :!:
     
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  12. Dynamite

    Dynamite Heavy Leather Full Member

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    this young tyson vid is a prime example of how to bob and weave enjoy mate! :good

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6zlaIl0yh0[/ame]
     
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  13. JagOfTroy

    JagOfTroy Jag Full Member

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    Thanks mate, that was the golden ticket.

    Didn't realize how important flexibility was in boxing.
     
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  14. bald_head_slick

    bald_head_slick Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Beware young Jedi... Mike Tyson is a great example of a "skill". Pernell Whittaker and Roy Jones Junior are examples of "gifts".

    Many a man has gotten his block knocked off confusing the two and trying to develop a skill for which they don't have a gift and not a skill which enhances their gifts. :hey

    Due to the vid, please note! Mike Tyson "bobbing and weaving" was a direct requirement of his Boxing style (peak-a-boo). So copying him doing what he is doing is pointless unless you are doing the same style. Find a fighter that fights in the same stance as you and has the head movement you like. Then build from there.
     
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  15. Primate

    Primate Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's amazing how much this simple fact eludes most people.
    It's why I cringe when I see young guys trying to use the philly shell and using the shoulder roll to avoid punches when they have no business doing so. It's why the fundamentals are so important when a boxer is just starting out, skills need to be developed which exploit a boxers natural attributes and talents, not the other way around.
     
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