If adamek beats wlad, does he surpass pacman's weight jumping exploits?

Pacquiao was new to Welterweight (excluding the DLH bout)...he was facing a full blown Welter for the first time in his career. I'm not surprised they asked for a catchweight.

I don't mind catchweights, especially if we get to see good bouts...but I don't like catchweights with World titles on the line. They seemed to have fallen in love with this recently.

 

Ever heard of bob fitzsimmons :huh

 

No fighter in history has done what Pacquiao has. Adamek beating Wlad would be impressive but it's been done many times. Not all those 'big' heavyweights were as big as Wlad, no, but the guy beating them was smaller than Adamek too.

Adamek at light heavyweight wasn't much smaller than a guy like Joe Louis, who frequently destroyed massive heavyweights.

It's a good feat, yes, but what Fitzsimmons, Jones, Armstrong, Hearns and many more, including Pacquiao did, is more impressive. They either did it beating better fighters or were champions in more divisions. Adamek hasn't even beaten 'the man' once yet, so it's not that impressive.

 

Roy did it better won 160 belt then heavy. But 175 former beating a guy like wlad of all people is pretty impressive. If there was a super heavweight division Wlad would be in it. Still 115 to 147 will never be seen again.

 

:thumbsup

 

Yes and...????

 

David walked around well over 200 lbs so what he did at CW means nothing....


Using your own logic of course.


****ing ******atsch

 

I didn't say that. Seriously, how can you make something up and then call me a ******? You just follow me around, making things up. It's odd.

Haye's and Adamek's achievements still stand, of course. They were over 175, over 200 or whatever, but so was their opponent. However, when mentioning weights and how big of a jump it is, the fact the guys actually fight well over what they weigh in at means something.

Look through my posts. You won't find me saying anything different.

 

:nono

 

Yeah, he would, but Wlad would be the only fighter he's beaten who is legitimately the best fighter in the division. Dawson was the best at 175lbs and he beat Adamek. Haye was the best and he moved up to heavyweight, leaving Cunningham and Adamek to fight for the title. Wlad would be the only fighter who was recognized as the best in the world, though.

Yeah, I agree, mate. When Pacquiao was at 112, he wouldn't have been weighing in much over that though, because he was literally malnourished at the weight.

I know what you mean about Mayweather, Froch etc.. It's a fair point. The difference is though, when these guys are so small, it tends to be because of their age. Whilst Mayweather was fighting boys, Pacquiao was fighting and beating elite men.

 

I'm quite surprised you didn't take what I said as "What do you mean 'David Haye is a million times better than Ali, are you deluded??????'" or something like that. You impressed me.

 

I don't agree with this. Many of the lower weights are fairly crowded. It's not too hard to go from 105 to 108, or 112 to 115. It's monstrously hard to go from 175 to 200 and end up effectively fighting people who are 260+ pounds. All of that, and you only get credit for three weight classes! That 90 pound opponent weight jump is the difference between minimumweight and CRUISERWEIGHT!

I don't think people really appreciate how hard it was for people like Jones, Toney, and Adamek to go up to heavyweight. To an extent, it's of their own doing. Jones only had one fight at heavyweight, Toney can't not get caught on roids, and if Adamek were a bit more devastating at heavyweight there would be a greater sense of awe. Pacquiao went up in weight and STEAMROLLED people. We haven't seen very much steamrolling by Adamek yet.

If Adamek ends up beating Wlad, then I think his top-weight win definitely surpasses Pacquiao's top-weight win (Margarito), or even his second highest weight win (Cotto? Clottey?).

However, Pacquiao looks BETTER at his higher end weights than Adamek. You get the impression that Adamek is like the boxing MacGuyver, pulling wins out of his ass on pure will. You can't help but think that he's going to run out of tricks any fight now. With Pacquiao, if someone didn't say, "this guy started at 116 pounds", you'd have never known.

 

The jumps from those weights are fine, yeah. I probably meant something more like jumping up an equivalent amount, you know? Some 10lbs in the light weights, is a bigger disadvantage than 20lbs in the heavier weights. It wasn't clear though, so my apologies :good

Though you pretty much confirmed what I'm saying with the last line. Can you imagine Segura against Cunningham? Or even Bradley against Pascal? The size disadvantage would be ridiculous yet in the heavyweight division, that's not too significant. David Haye took Valuev's shots, he hurt him and, in the end, the size didn't matter, despite a 100lb disadvantage.