could the foreman that kod frazier....

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Yes he could , the same way the Foreman that was KOd by Ali could , by simply having his familiar ring and weather .

 

I'm not sure I understand the question. Wasn't it the very same version of Foreman who Ko'd Frazier the one who actually FOUGHT Ali? If the question is a strait forward one, then the obvious answer is he didn't and no.

Some have tried to put a twist on the circumstances however, and pondered how if the fight had taken place in an air conditioned arena, rather than in the sweltering heat of an outdoor venue like Kinshasa Zaire, or if the ropes had been tighter, or if Foreman had trained differently, etc, that he might have won.. But, at the end of the day, what happened happened.

 

Maybe in a rematch, without the loose ropes, without the Zaire altitude and with the ref paying attention to Ali holding behind the neck. There wasn't much difference in the Foreman of 73 and the Foreman of 74. Maybe he was a little meaner.

 

Same Foreman in both fights. May as well ask if the 1977 Foreman who lost to Jimmy Young in San Juan,would have won if the fight had been in Greenland

 

Give Foreman an air conditioned setting with tight ropes and Ali would simply dance the night away. When Muhammad went to the ropes in Kinshasa, he offered the left side of his body to George, who hammered enormously thudding right hands home to no avail. His youth and body attack failed to slow down the older man, who was in tremendous condition.

Ali was coming off three consecutive 12 round wins over the previous year. Foreman had competed a grand total of less than three rounds over the same period. 36 rounds to three. You do the math. After Peralta II in May 1971, George had fought a grand total of less than 15 rounds.

In Kinshasa, the disparity in hand speed and straight punching was ridiculous. Frazier and Norton both had hand speed Foreman never possessed, allowing them to compete with Ali. How does George beat him in a different setting, when he couldn't even hurt Muhammad in Africa? Stamina, experience, hand and foot speed, toughness, defense, and effective use of height and reach are all in Ali's favor. During Muhammad's second title run, only Coopman and Dunn went out faster than Foreman. Look at what Ali did in his next bout. He put down Wepner for what would have been the full count had Perez not waived it off just 19 seconds before the final bell would have rung. There's not a snowball's chance in hell of George outlasting him.

Sure, go right ahead. Let's put Ali and Foreman in the Astrodome. I'm sure Muhammad would have been perfectly fine with challenging for the title in George's Houston backyard. It's not as if Ali hadn't had fun in the Astrodome before, with Big Cat, Terrell, Ellis and Mathis.

 

Only "Old Foreman with Parrot, being served hot tacos between rounds by Dundee" could beat Ali. :yep

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But who's corner would Angelo choose? :think

 

Foremans if theres Tacos you idiot.atsch


Unless...:think
Could Ali possibly try and get a superior snack?

 

Kalasinn, based upon Ali-Ellis, I think Muhammad would give his blessing for Dundee to work George's corner, with the same result Angelo had when he actually did work against Ali. (Angie wanted badly to beat Muhammad with Jimmy, who trained down to 189 for the effort, but Ali was simply too good. It's been suggested that Ellis was underweight for Muhammad, but Jimmy is recorded as also coming in at 189 for his knockout of Ollie Wilson over a year later.) I believe Ali would celebrate by cooking and eating Old Foreman's parrot.:stir

 

You mean that 240 meter altitude? Yeah, that would take a toll.

 

Carlos Padilla did just that in Manila, repeatedly slapping away Ali's gloves from the back of Frazier's neck to the praise of Cosell, and Muhammad wound up with the only stoppage win in their rivalry. It just doesn't matter.

 

Ali would always beat george but he would have to be in shape. foreman would have beat the ali jimmy young fought. Hell, johnny paycheck has a chance with the ali that young fought!!

 

No. The Foreman that fought Ali was actually better than the one that showed up against Frazier.

He beat Frazier, Roman, Norton all in conclusive and devastating fashion. He came into the Ali fight with a strong momentum and an air of confidence he didn't have in the Frazier fight.

If Foreman fought Ali before Frazier, he may have never been champion.