Is Sam Langford the most under rated heavyweight of all time head to head?

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  1. Jorodz

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    graham??! please, his claim to fame is never being knocked down. guess what? basilio, giardello and gavilan never knocked me down either but i don't go bragging about it...geeze
     
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  2. McGrain

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    This equates to a very good chin in my book. I think his punch resistance was pretty staggering based upon the list you yourself have provided.
     
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  3. janitor

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  4. Boucher

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    Anvil like, in your opinion?
    Best punchers he met?
    Fulton who stopped him in one of their 2 fights the other was just 4 rds.
    Smith who beat him in one of their 2 fights.
    Wills who dropped him 9 times
    Mcvey whom he did well with, not being floored, as far as I can ascertain.

    Does he compare with a Joey Maxim for example?
    Only stopped once when caught cold by monster puncher Curtess Sheppard, whom he then beat twice without being floored. Fought Charles x5 Patterson, Murphy,Satterfield,Walcott x3,Marshall,Moore x3.
    Only Moore x2 ,Nardico, managed to deck him ,if Langford's chin was anvil like ,how good was Maxim's?
     
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  5. McGrain

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    Based on the data at hand, I think it had to be quite extraordinary, yes. Making concrete claims without film of him taking punches is difficult and there is room for interpretation and I respect your interpretation, but as far as the weight of evidence goes, I see it much closer to Janitor's position than you.
     
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  6. Boucher

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    So does everyone else apparently.:lol:
     
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  7. Boucher

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  8. McGrain

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    Boucher, it's true that Fulton stopped Langford, but it is hardly reflective upon Langford's chin or even his punch resistance - he retired with an injury, likely a brain injury, possibly an eye-injury.
     
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  9. Boucher

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    What injury did Langford have when welterweight ,Young Peter Jackson stopped him?

    If I were churlish I could point out that Johnson ,whose chin is often called into question,was stopped by.
    Klondike= body shot.
    Choynski = blow to the temple.
    But I won't do that:lol:
     
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  10. withoutwire

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    This thread exemplifies how the classic overrates old fighters. Tyson KO1 Langford
     
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  11. McGrain

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    None.

    So what? I'm sure Armstrong still had his concrete chin when Al lovino stopped him, i'm sure Britton had his titanium chin when Kinney stopped him...i'd bet these guys had slightly superior chins to Langford's, but there isn't going to be much in it. Langford is an ex-lightweight sucking up bombs from heavyweights over the course of many many years and many many fights. He probably has the most horrific schedule in fight history - his chin is absolutely proven top drawer in my view, and i'd lonly rank a handful of chins above him if i could be bothered to make those type of distinctions.
     
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  12. janitor

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  13. janitor

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    Langford retired on his stool between rounds claiming that he was unable to continue due to a low blow.

    This is exactly the sort of crucial detail that your 21st century resume analysis overlooks.
     
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  14. Boucher

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    Iovino stopped Armstrong with body punches.:good
     
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  15. Boucher

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    When I show guys like Hague had only handful of fights, and beat only moderate opposition ,you say aah, but that's all we are aware of, the inference being that there may be reams of uncovered wins against top drawer opponents.Can we stick to what is proven?
    My 21st century analysis? Which century should I use then?
    We have more detailed information of fighters from by- gone days than ever before , should we ignore it?
    I don't understand your point.
    Hague, Tate ,Jim Johnson , were not world class punchers.
    neither imo were Wills or Smith, [look at who Smith kod],[and more importantly whom he did not]Middle weights went the distance with him.
    Do you think Mike Twin Sullivan could go 3 rds with Foreman or Liston?
     
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