Roberto Duran vs Floyd Maywather Jr @lw

That is how I see some of you guys when it comes to Duran. On other fighters you guys have great opinions and are objective, but on Duran you do not use the facts. I understand hero stuff, but you should be able to overlook it and judge objectivelly. We all have to be able to look at facts and see that Duran had trouble with fast guys who used their skill. Resumes and wins or losses vs. top guys mean something. I admit I admire Thomas Hearns, but I am not going to rate him 1-5 or make up things just to rate him higher. Duran never knocked out a great fighter, and lost easily to the only one he beat when Ray was green. In regards to Hearns, most will be hard pressed to find a champion who won his first title 11 years before at 147 pounds, and then 11 years later win a title at 175 against an undefeated champ who has 10 title defenses. Who did something like that? Spinks? But Michael fought an old Larry, but still a great win. Those two wins by Hearns and Spinks I think are much better than any win Duran ever had.
Comparing those guys Duran fought to Mayweather and Whitaker is ridiculous and baseless. I don't think you guys use objectivity at all. I have been watching boxing for 35 years now and saw how Duran regardless of all the excuses could not beat a quick great. His weakness is when a guy was quicker Duran could not deal with it. At lightweight not many guys were quicker than him. The fact is when he stepped up in competition he stepped up in weight, so his fans use the stepping up in weight as the excuse and not that he was fighting much better guys.

 

that is probably true. Duran would have fought Floyd no matter what. I give Duran credit for having confidence. But during the fight he would lose and then say he was out of shape.

 

Well I've been watching boxing for a bit longer than that, not that it matters much, but regarding Duran, you're simply wrong. Nobody is giving Duran a pass on his losses, but neither is anyone downplaying his wins (well except you). There's nobody on this forum that I'm aware of that ever considered Leonard green, when they fought. And if you don't want Duran's losses downplayed, then don't downplay his wins. His title defenses at lightweight certainly outdue anything Floyd's done at the weight. This is undisputable. You seem to take Duran's losses at middleweight, or junior middle and hold it against his accomplishments at 135, this is flat out wrong to do.

 

MAG's an infinitely repeating Duran crybaby. Just let him ramble on, it's not hurting anyone

 

Duran did more at the weight but Floyd was quicker and Duran could not deal with speed. I am talking about the head to head matchup here. What always made clear to me who could beat Duran is how he fared against the fast greats he fought. He fared poorly when a guy was faster and used speed. He had no answer for it. Give him a mediocre speed guy and a guy who fought on the inside and Duran could beat him, even if the guy was decent enough. I honestly believe Floyd would had a rough first round and then find out what he could do with Duran and by the 5th round Duran is plodding forward and Floyd is hitting him easily and winning the rounds. It isn't like this never happened against Duran. Speed with Benitez,Leonard and Hearns was a big factor. Regardless of Hearns stopping him, the reason Tommy stopped him was because of speed. Duran couldn't deal with how fast Tommy delivered his punches.

 

Hands of Stone

 

Lightweight fights - Castillo 1 and 2, Sosa, Ndou. The rest are imagined at lightweight.

 

Fought When Duran was a lightweight (boxing gloves did not have the thumb Attached) Jr tries the shoulder roll Duran Thumbs him in the eye and is Tkoed in a few rounds. Beware the devil inside Hands of Stone.

 

I have not changed my tune in the over 2 years on ESB. It is a not a personal thing. The fights speak for themselves. Sort of like when people overrated Buddy McGirt many years ago saying Buddy would have beaten everyone had he not had the injury to his left shoulder. Well he had the injury. Duran has a resume we can study. Objectively how is a guy who lost to fast guys like Benitez and Leoanrd and Hearns and lost big -going to beat a fast guy like Mayweather who does not brawl with anyone? Mayweather's style is bad for Duran. Whitaker's is bad for Duran. Those two guys are way ahead of anyone Duran fought at 135. When Duran moved up to 147 he moved up in competition.

 

Where Benitez and SRL Much Bigger than JR? Yes they where and just as quick with a better work rate.

 

Stylistic mismatch. Duran by TKO.

Remember, Floyd ducked Margarito because of his relentless pressure. Duran was much better than Margo at that.

 

great fighters beat other great fighters...what great fighters have floyd beat that werent in their last 3 or 4 fights of a 15-16 year career and 50 fight career? and if you werent sure what that mean, pretty much take out the shot, has been guys they were great 10 years before floyd fought them

 

What, you don't think beating Castillo, Sosa, and N'Dou can make you one of the best LW's ever? HATER!!!!

 

You are going to sit and point at the finger about not being objective when you are the one that continually makes the assertion that Ray "didnt fight his fight the first time around" even when presented with overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

You claim Duran never faced anyone a lightweight even close to as quick as him but when I give you a list of fighters he did you completely twist things around to make it out like I was directly comparing their overall ability..I never said anything about that, I just showed you he did face quick fighters and good movers...If anything that was his speciality at the weight and he is less proven against your elite bull strong relentless types such as Armstrong etc.

You say Leonard was green in their first fight, which is not a ridiculous statement, it is debatable..though I will say his best and most complete performance was 8 months earlier against Benitez..I never really saw him that good again.

You have this big thing about Duran never stopping another true great...big deal. Neither did Greb really, neither did Pep, neither did Whitaker... a lot of great fighters signature wins are decisions..does that make them any less great?

I respect your opinion MAG but you are completely and utterly Duran obsessed to the point you drag his name into threads that have absolutely nothing to do with him..." The speed of the polar ice caps melting is have an effect on the earth's climate..just like Duran couldnt handle speed"

You just spout the same **** over and over again...At least I'm willing to shift my views and research a bit more.
We are essentially looking at the same facts but you refuse to look into them in anymore detail than you have and thats that for you.

You are going to talk to me about objectivity but say rubbish like Hearns beating Hill is comparable to Duran beating Leonard...come on man, get over the hate, let it go and you will feel so much better.