Prime-4-Prime, Vitali Klitschko vs Muhammed Ali

Who were these big powerful men that Ali fought? Certainly no one in Klitschkos level of size.
Ali was bigger than most of the fighters he fought.

 

Ali would have no chance against either Klitcshko, his only hope is if the Klitschkos stood 6ft 2. Now that would be an interesting tussle!

 

I am no fan of Ali, but even I can't see any way on earth that Klitschko beats a prime Ali or even the Ali that fought George Foreman.....no way.

Ali eludes everything Vitalee throws at him and hands him the beating of his life, stopping him inside six rounds.

Nevermind Ali, George Chuvalo would whip Vitalee.

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Ive read a book about Liston called night train so I do know my history, its my opinion that Liston quit on his stool in the first fight because he was taking a hiding and didnt want any more of it, I think Ali would do the same to Vitali and win a UD. I didnt mention the second fight.

 

Ali took non-human levels of punishment vs Foreman and Louis. There would be no stoppage.

 

he took the punishment because he wasn't equipped enough or talented enough to prevent it. Foreman was made to be outboxed but Ali did not have the tools, size or wheels to do it. Foreman would be easy work for the Klitschkos.

 

Ali W 12 or 15 in a competitive fight. I think Ali would win clearly, but fairly close.

 

That's well worthy of a QOTW thread. Do it :deal

 

15 rounder - Ali by stoppage
12 rounder - Ali by decision

 

The difference between boxing and other sports, is that there are MEASURABLE increments of improvement, whereas in boxing, the only real difference we've seen is in size, and musculature, and it applies more to the heavyweight division more so than other weight classes. Frankly, I don't see the bar being raised much. Championship matches are no longer 15 rounds.. Fights are stopped much sooner than they were 35+ years ago.. Champions defend their titles less actively. Fighters seem to be in less impressive condition today than they were in Ali's era.. Now the Klits are definitely in good shape, but look at many of their foes like Sam Peter, Corrie Sanders, Ruslan Chagaev, Chris Arreola, Kirk Johnson, Kevin Howard, Hasim Rahman, etc... Now compare those men's physiques to that of Ken Norton, George Foreman, Joe Frazier, Mac Foster, Ron Lyle, Jimmy Young, etc..In addition, due to the increasingly diminished interest in boxing, the talent pool seems to be getting older and older. At one point, about three years ago, the average age of the heavyweight top 10 was around 34 - a far cry from when a man's mid 20's was considered the pinacle point in his life..

Perhaps, but he did prove that he could beat men his size or bigger and who possesed an all around package of talent and athleticism.. Who did the Klitschko's beat who were even comparable to Ali in speed, stamina, durability and skill? You mentioned Chris Byrd earlier, who is light years behind Ali, and incidentally managed to take one of the brothers the distance while escaping the jaws of defeat against the other, albeit under dicey circumstances.

And do you think that Wlad and Vitali would just be able to casually follow Ali around the ring, picking out their shots at their leisure against a constantly moving target who's workrate and punch output was off the charts for a heavyweight? And not to mention, survived the combined artillary of Sonny Liston, George Foreman, and Earnie Shavers - Two of those coming when past his prime?

I can think of a few men who weren't SUPPOSED to beat either of them, but they did..

The same can be said in reverse when comparing Ali's attributes to that of the Klitschko's career best opponents.

Indeed he has improved, but not to the extent that he is commonly credited for.. Wlad LOST to Lamon Brewster and struggled mightily with Sam Peter, while having Emanuel Steward in his corner.. His looking better in the rematches against those two men, was more due to their diminished abilities the second time around, as opposed to Wlad showing any vast level of improvement. I will also ad, that while Klitschko's adjustment in style has enabled him to stay out of danger, it's probably less well suited for troubling a man like Muhammad Ali who was only beaten by men who put immense pressure on him, and mostly on the inside - a place that both Klitschko's rarely if ever go.

First of all, I highly doubt that many Steward views Wlad as being better about setting up the right hand with the jab than his previous pupil Lennox Lewis, so he's not number one in that department. His power commands respect, but has become increasingly overrated, as seen by the large volume of opponents who have taken him numerous rounds, or in some cases the distance, despite being physically inferior, past prime, or intimidiated.

The testimony of a man's trainer is always going to be in his favor. What is Steward supposed to go out and say, " man I can't believe that he went out and got decked 3 times by that fatass sam Peter, imagine what George Foreman would have done to him?"

Many would and have disagreed.

 

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