Was Wladimir drugged vs Brewster?

liljp361 · Feb 18, 2011

your theory on this terrible night for The Klitschko brothers.. it was wierd that he seemed to run out of gas so quick its not meant to happen he's a good athlete.

Lance_Uppercut · Feb 18, 2011

This again? :huh When did you start WATCHING boxing anyway?

Dude had all the symptom's of a panic attack.

VecArrow · Feb 18, 2011

Brewster got to his chin, it shattered, and he couldn't pick up all the pieces.

End of.

Overhill · Feb 18, 2011

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Yes, how can some1 be exhausted after only 3 rounds...16...19.05%
No, he took a vicious body shot and was winded...........48....57.14%
u never know when don king is involved......................20....23.81%
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Thread Stealer · Feb 18, 2011

http://www.secondsout.com/columns/thomas-hauser/boxing-isnt-easily-embarrassed-but---

Boxing Isn't Easily Embarrassed But . . .
Fri 7-May-2004 17:21

By Thomas Hauser
Requesting that the United States Government conduct an investigation is serious business. Before doing so, one should, at the very least, get the facts straight.

On May 5th, Judd Burstein (the attorney recently retained by Wladimir Klitschko) sent a letter to the United States Attorney for the District of Nevada. In that latter, Burstein declares, "I am writing to respectfully request that your office conduct an investigation into the highly suspicious events surrounding Mr. Klitschkos April 10, 2004, Las Vegas bout against Lamon Brewster, and the equally suspicious frustration of Mr. Klitschkos subsequent efforts to ascertain whether or not he had been illicitly drugged or poisoned prior to or during the bout with Mr. Brewster."

In many respects, the letter reads more like a press release than a serious call for an investigation. Indeed, one could be forgiven for believing that its primary purpose is to gain an immediate rematch for Klitschko, so lets start by revisiting the fight.

Against Brewster, Klitschko looked like a fighter between styles. He fought with his feet wide apart; held on awkwardly when Lamon got inside; and bailed out whenever Brewster threw punches. In round three, he was wobbled by an awkward blow that looked like a hybrid jab-hook. Then, in the fourth round, he landed a huge right hand that put Brewster on the canvas and had Lamon on ***** street when he rose.

If the fight had ended at that point, there would be no talk now of poison or drugs. All wed hear from the Klitschko camp is how wonderful Wladimir looked. But Brewster survived with a marvelous display of will and, in round five, began landing heavy blows of his own. At the bell, he knocked Klitschko out.

Bursteins letter references a series of irrelevancies concerning Robert Mittlemans fixing of fights and Arnold Rothstein bribing eight members of the Chicago White Sox to throw the 1919 World Series. Next, he makes a mountain out of a molehill by referring to "a very suspicious incident concerning fight credentials." Apparently, prior to the bout, a member of the Klitschko team went to pick up his credential and was told that it had already been picked up. This is construed to have created "a situation where an unidentified person secured an all-access pass through fraud, thus providing himself unfettered access to the arena," which could have led to all manner of nerarious things.

Building block number three is gambling. Bursteins letter states, "The odds on the bout plummeted from 11 to 1 in Mr. Klitschkos favor to just 3-1/2 to 1 by fight time . . . Mr. Brewster was understandably a heavy underdog, and nothing in the public domain gave any cause for such a drastic change in the betting line. On the other hand, if a drugging of Mr. Klitschko was planned in advance, that fact would easily explain why there was so much late money bet on Mr. Brewster."

However, in reality, very little money was bet on the fight, so one or two wagers were capable of shifting the odds dramatically. Also, the sports book at Mandalay Bay is reported to have changed the odds on its own to engender more betting on the bout.

Then the Burstein letter gets to the heart of the matter; the suggestion that Wladimir Klitschko was either poisoned on drugged.

"Inexplicably, beginning in or about the second round," Burstein writes, "and prior to having been hit with any significant punches, Mr. Klitschko exhibited and experienced a rapid loss of energy, coherence, and equilibrium . . . As both Mr. Klitschko and his entire team, including Hall of Fame trainer Emanuel Steward, will attest, Mr. Klitschko was in extraordinary physical condition for the bout. Indeed, according to Mr. Klitschko, he had never trained so well or come into a bout so well-conditioned. Significantly, he had never shown himself to be a fighter who lacked conditioning or stamina. Thus, what happened on April 10 is wholly inconsistent with Mr. Klitschkos career."

This is known as rewriting history. Boxing fans will recall that the first loss of Klitschkos career came against journeyman Ross Puritty, when Wladimir all but collapsed from exhaustion and his own corner halted the fight. Lets also remember that Emanuel Steward assured everyone that Lennox Lewis was in great shape for Lewis-Rahman I. The difference is, when a poorly-conditioned Lennox got knocked out, the deposed champion didnt blame foul play; nor did he blame the altitude in South Africa (which was probably a factor). Instead, he said simply, "I got caught."

The Burstein letter next features a section entitled, "THE FRUSTRATION OF MR. KLITSCHKOS EFFORTS TO LEARN THE TRUTH." Here, Burstein states, "Out of concern for Mr. Klitschko, he was taken to the University Medical Center of Southern Nevada after the bout. At that time, blood and urine samples were taken from Mr. Klitschko. The next day, in order to ensure that he would have an opportunity to ascertain the truth, Mr. Klitschko arranged for additional blood and urine samples to be taken at Quest Diagnostics. Mr. Klitschkos team made it emphatically clear that they wanted the blood and urine specimens preserved so that they could be tested by an independent doctor of Mr. Klitschkos choosing. On April 14, 2004, both UMC and Quest were sent appropriate medical authorizations, signed by Mr. Klitschko, requesting that his medical records, including his blood and urine specimens, be sent to noted physician, Dr. Robert Voy. Quest has a policy of retaining blood and urine specimens for seven days after testing, and UMC has a policy of retaining blood specimens for ten days after testing. Hence, all of the blood and urine samples were in existence on April 14, when Quest and UMC received the medical authorization forms signed by Mr. Klitschko."

However -- "incredibly," according to the Burstein letter -- the blood and urine samples were destroyed. "Of course, there are a number of possible explanations, some innocent, for what occurred," Burstein writes. "However, one of those possible explanations, and an eminently reasonable one, is that those specimens were destroyed in order to hide the truth of what happened to Mr. Klitschko."

There are myriad problems with this hypothesis. First, it presupposes that the University Medical Center and Quest Diagnostics were part of a massive conspiracy and cover-up. And second, it misstates the facts.

In truth, the Klitschko camp was told exactly what to do to get Wladimirs blood and urine specimens, but failed to follow up with the necessary paperwork in a timely manner. Klitschko signed an authorization for his representatives to receive all medical information and samples. But the lawyer who preceded Burstein on the case only requested information, not blood and urine samples, from UMC and Quest.

Lets also note that all of the drug screens tested "normal." And while its technically possible that a drug not tested for was administered to Klitschko, theres no clinical evidence to support that hypothesis. Moreover, Wladimir left the hospital against medical advice hours after the fight. Behavior of that nature is hardly consistent with a belief that one has been poisoned or drugged.

Burstein acknowledges that, prior to writing to the United States Attorney, he did not contact the Nevada State Athletic Commission to confirm the factual statements contained in his letter. Rather, he states, "Every fact in my letter came from a memorandum prepared by Ron DiNicolas office."

However, Mr. DiNicola is hardly a disinterested observer. He is one of Wladimir Klitschkos attorneys and, on April 16, 2004, sent an equally flawed letter regarding the fight to WBO president Francisco Valcarcel.

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Thread Stealer · Feb 18, 2011

So what happened to Wladimir Klitschko in his fight against Lamon Brewster?

The truth may lie in another HBO offering. Anyone who watches The Sopranos knows that Tony Soprano suffers from panic attacks.

A panic attack has nothing to do with courage. No one should question Wladimir Klitschkos bravery. Rather, a panic attack is a physiological response during which a person experiences a range of symptoms such as light-headedness, dizziness, rapid heartbeat, hyperventilation, fatigue, and shortness of breath. One scenario far more likely than the conspiracy theory advanced by the Klitschko camp is that, as the fight progressed, Wladimir Klitschko suffered a panic attack. Then he got whacked and suffered a concussion.

Wladimir and Vitali Klitschko are likeable intelligent individuals. There was every reason to believe that they would be a breath of fresh air for boxing, and they still might be.

But for the moment, its hard to escape the conclusion that Wladimir is in denial; that there are certain hard truths that he is simply unable to accept. And while were on the subject of the Klitschkos, boxing fans are growing weary of Vitalis complaining that his fight against Lennox Lewis was stopped too soon and that Lennox retired rather than give him a rematch.

There are enough bad occurrences in boxing to obviate the need for creating imaginary ones. Marc Ratner (executive director of the Nevada State Athletic Commission) says as much, when he declares, "Im saddened by this whole state of affairs. We have a wonderful fight this weekend [Pacquiao-Marquez] and another one [Jones-Tarver] coming up. And instead of concentrating on these fights, were spending time dealing with nonsensical allegations that have no validity whatsoever."

Lets also consider the fact that all of this is insulting to Lamon Brewster. Lamon fought a courageous fight, and its wrong to tarnish his victory in this manner.

Judd Burstein is an excellent lawyer and my friend, but this is one time when he has overstepped his bounds.

As for Wladimir Klitschko, theres no embarrassment in his having been knocked out by Lamon Brewster. But Wladimir is dangerously close to embarrassing himself now.
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Bubby · Feb 18, 2011

Something was clearly wrong with Waldimir, and it had nothing to do with the manly way Brewster was falling down in the fight..

Bubby · Feb 18, 2011

Lance_Uppercut said: ↑

This again? :huh When did you start WATCHING boxing anyway?

Dude had all the symptom's of a panic attack.
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Why did Waldimir have a panic attack? did Brewster fall at his feet in some great manly way that just scared him?

Zombieguy · Feb 18, 2011

If by drugged you mean nervous and outclassed.

D_XZ · Feb 18, 2011

The human body is complex system of cycles which is not fuly understood. One thing generally accepted is that we are at our physical best in the mid - late afternoon. Boxing matches do tend to happen at a less than ideal time for our bodies natural rythms.

Wlad could have simply overtrained or his body not tuned properly to the time of fight. Sometimes people simply have bad days.

Hatesrats · Feb 18, 2011

No.
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Bubby · Feb 18, 2011

FJAY360 said: ↑

Stop nuthugging and aggressivly defending him dude, Wladimir lost so what? he's now undisputed champ and Brewster is a nobody, it seems like every opinion against Wladimir is like Blasphimy
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I'm not nuthugging, I just asked what did Brewster do that scared Wald so bad. did he fall in some way that made Waldimir have a panic attack?

Jennifer Love Hewitt · Feb 18, 2011

Unless "drugged" is what Brewster calls his left hook, Ima say no.

bretchko · Feb 18, 2011

Look at the rematch that tells you everything he destroyed Brewster!!!
Yea he was drugged for sure look into his eyes right after the fight them 10 min after the fight they were the same or even worse ..people recover and he didn't recover like fighters do he looked even an 1/2 hour after the fight like he'd just done a shot of tar.(many stu.) his eyes tell it all.
Also he himself said he was drugged and he is a doc in sport med. so why would he lie about something like this or go to the extent he did with the lawers and everything.
but haters and un believers will say take you loss like a man ..and so he did...i believe it was ministered to him through his water ..and if you notice in all his fights after this it is only the other brother who holds and ministers water to each other....don king is a dirty dog..

Ponysmallhorse · Feb 18, 2011

Lance_Uppercut said: ↑

This again? :huh When did you start WATCHING boxing anyway?

Dude had all the symptom's of a panic attack.
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Doctor? When people turn blue they have panic attacks?

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