If Jeffries defeated Johnson....

Sure, I'll check my spelling every now than then, but teaching you how to add and embracing the facts will be difficult.

Please show me where it was 110 degrees in April in Havana. PM's have been sent. You can come out of your closet now, Mcvey.

 

McVey? I am not McVey. Closet? Is he gay?
I have no objection to you, or, anyone else correcting me when I am wrong, [Jeffries was 35] .It would be churlish to deny you it, especially as you obviously derived so much pleasure from it.
NB I have put a correction in my earlier post ,and credited you with spotting it.

 

The Boxing Register gives the temperature as 105 degrees


Here is the link.

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=aA2LO_DGdu4C&lpg=PA245&ots=4vu3GCkWHn&dq=temperature%20of%20Havana%20when%20Johnson%20fought%20Willard&pg=PA245#v=onepage&q&f=false

Below is from Cyberzone.

In the meantime, Willard was cast in a 1-reel short film, "The Heart Punch". It was made in late 1914, but not released until February of 1915. As the record already shows it, Willard beat Johnson in 26 rounds of a scheduled 45-round bout, in simmering 100 degree plus humid temperatures of Havana.






This is from Boxing Biographies

The- fight lasted one hour and 44 minutes in weather well over 100 degrees. It was not until five years later — and Willard always stressed this point — that Johnson, broke, and-old, -and living in Paris, sold a magazine article in which he claimed he took a dive at. Havana.
"I always said," Willard remarked, "if; he was going to quit, -why did he wait 26 rounds, one-hour and, 44 minutes, under a sun that was 115 degrees hot, to quit . "Or wait five years to say he took a dive."

The Chicago Daily Observer
. It was a brutally hot day with the temperature exceeding one hundred degrees.



You can come out of the toilet now Mendoza.

 

Good point.

Look at the amount of vitriol thrown at Rocky Marciano, esentialy for being a white undefeated heavyweight champion, even though he did not draw the colour line and was always respectful towards his black oponents.

 

To my knowledge Marciano never called any of his black opponents, n****r.

Never said he was fighting for the honour of the white race,

Never had another world champion,[Ketchel ]thrown out bodily from his training camp for going to see that n****r.

Never refused to shake a black opponents hand ,or acknowledge him in public.

Never ducked his standout challenger because he was black.


Never made a statement that he would not risk his title against a blackman ,lest the title should fall into the hands of a member of the black race.

Of course, Marciano never made an absurd excuse that he was beaten by "drugged tea," either because he never came back.


Marciano was close friends with both Walcott and Charles after their fights and was allways highly complimentary when speaking about them .
In short, he was a gentleman , sportsman, and a decent human being .

 

Exactly, so you wouldn't think that he would offend so many people.

 

Ring magazines of the 50's reveal that Marciano was unfavourably compared to Dempsey ,and considered a poor imitation of him,.
Marciano was seen as a strong, but crude bruiser,without any real ring smarts.
TIme usuallly brings fresh,and often different viewpoints.

 

He would be a lot more famous, that is for sure. But then again rightly so, it would have probably been the single greatest victory in the history of the sport, imo.

Why wouldnt he stay on top for long. He followed jeffries with about 1 loss in 15 or so years. If jeffries won, Johnson would still be the World Champion, because Jeffries would have retired, and the title generally reverts back to Johnson. And without having proved himself, Johnson would have probably stayed in shape, and not been hated so badly (meaning he wouldnt be chased out of the US). If you look at how Johnson improved after the Choynski loss, and then the hart loss, it is scary to think just what he might have done to prove he was the best in the world. I am guessing that Langford, McVey and Jeanette would have had serious dents put in their legacies. Probably Wills Also, as an in shape albeit older Johnson probably blasts him. Imagine how many title defences an active and fully trained Johnson would have . And the flipside, is that Jim Jeffries would have bettered him. I think this would equate Jeffries easily to what Louis and Ali did. In fact better because he would have that undefeated aura to him.

 

Well, probably third-greatest. Ali - Frazier and Schmeling - Louis were better.

You're assuming that Jeffries wouldn't pull the same thing he did the last time he retired -- i.e. organizing a fight between the two leading white contenders. Johnson would have had trouble getting another shot at the title without a cash-strapped champion like Burns.

Also, Langford, McVey, or Jeanette might get the shot instead.

He would be perceived as having moral failings because of the highly symbolic nature of defeating Johnson after the massive racist buildup. Whether he actually had them I'll leave up to others.

Not a bad point, actually.

 

How about a real weather report that indicated a record high. I have one here, and its below 100 degrees. Also 100 degrees in April??? Remain ignorant if you must! You are wrong again. Read Below:

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, Havana's has a tropical climate, which is characterized as being non-arid and having pleasant year-round average temperatures. Havana does not experience extreme heat or cold, but due to its location and climate, it is susceptible to violent storms. Other places with tropical climates are Hawaii, parts of Florida, and Southeast

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Temperature

The temperatures in Havana are fairly consistent for the entire. The average monthly low is 70 degrees F (21 degrees C) and the average high temperature is 85 degrees F (29 degrees C). The coolest months are January and February (64 to 79 degrees F; 18 to 26 degrees C) and the hottest months are July and August (75 to 89 degrees F; 24 to 32 degrees C). November, December and January through April is cooler than May through October. Havana's record high is 97 degrees F (36 degrees C) and the record low is 50 degrees F (10 degrees C).

http://www.travels.com/destinations/asia/havana-climate-weather/

 

I disagree.
I think that's a simplistic view of people of the past and their relationship to racial rivalry and the injustices and hatred of the "race issue" in general.

I don't think anyone would hate Jeffries or make him a villain simply because he won the fight.
At the time the fight was bound to cause riots whoever won (as happened), but with the passing of time the victor is only remembered for his own performance, not blamed for the stuipdity of people who use the fight to demonstrate racial hatred.

If anything Jeffries would have been more respected and rated as a fighter among black community because he beat the best black fighter around. Just as Marciano seemed to gain respect from blacks for his victories over many of the best black fighters.

Winners usually get respect, especially if their win is a come back win over a good prime fighter.
The stupid racial stuff surrounding the fight is so obviously nothing to do with the sporting contest of two men, that there's no way Jeffries would become a focal point for racism in boxing. People weren't that stupid.
Ali never had a heated "racial" contest in the 1960s, although he later tried to manufacture one with .... Joe Frazier. Ali saying he's greater than Jeffries is like him saying he's greater than Joe Louis. I think people got used to that before he'd even fought Liston !

Well, that's my take anyway.

 

What was the question,,,,,,,if James Jeffries defeated Jack Johnson.

Jeffries retires, and goes back to his farm, where he wanted to stay in the first place.

Of course a heavyweight championship would take place, between 'two' white boys.

Jack Johnson would have to start all over again, with Sam Langford, Sam McVea and Joe Jeannette.