Prime4 Prime - MAX BEAR vs Wladimir Klitschko Who Wins ?

Oh, come on you sell Primo short, he was no wizard but he had solid skills and power. He was no Wlad though. Yes, Baer let´s himself open for counters but not all of his shots are wide. He would through wide punches for several rounds, you get used to it and aren´t thinking about anything else and then a short straight right hand comes out of nowhere. He did that quite often. And Wlad isn´t really a counterpuncher and good at taking advantage of that.

 

Schmeling is certainly on Wlad´s level and Louis is at least one above both´s.

 

I think Wlad is a much better fighter than Primo carnera in every department both physically and technique wise.. And Carnera, actually won a fair number of the earlier rounds, plus took Max's best before being stopped. Baer's poor defense would subject him to constant hammering, by both the left jab and the right cross, and I don't know if his chin has ever been tested by a man who hit has hard as wlad, unless you credit Louis as having more power. Louis however, was a novice who had been fighting for only a year, and weighed only around 200 lbs, but dispatched a peak Baer in 4 rounds.. I'm also not sure that baer hits harder than Wlad's conquerors who's power was well tested against modern day big men, and with 12 ounce gloves as opposed to the 8 ounce variety..

 

Max Schemling may be as good of a fighter on a pound for pound basis, but p4p doesn't account for much in actual matches.. Louis was a better fighter from a career standpoint, but at the time he fought Baer, was a mere novice, and work in progress, plus baer only lasted a whole 4 rounds against him, and got pummeled the whole time.... I don't see these comparisons as improving baer's chances against Wlad.

 

Yeah, I think Louis had more power. Not in one shot but he wouldn´t hit you with just one shot like Wlad does. That´s why he is the more dangerous fighter and more likely to stop you IMO. Yes, Wlad is superior to Primo in everything but chin and mental strength - Wlad has heart and is not afraid, in all of his stoppages he got up and wanted to continue. Yeah, Baer would be hammered constantly but I expect Wlad to be very cautious knowing how dangerous is and thus only throwing his right hand and left hook very occasionally, relying mostly his jab - which honestly is harder than the power punches from many other fighters.
Yes, Louis was only pro for one year but he was already in with many experienced contenders and was the first hw to be brought on professionally from the beginning. Baer also wasn´t really at his peak anymore, he came of a loss to Jimmy Braddock. And of course Louis didn´t knock him out. Baer just said "I wasn't going to get up to be killed just to satisfy the crowd. Believe me, if I'm going to get executed, they'll have to pay more than 25 dollars a piece to see it. Quit ? Sure I quit. But I was just being smart. I don't want anybody going around telling what a brave guy I was-after I'm dead."

 

Honestly if Baer learned how to defend himself not gettin hit by every fuken Jab he would have a somekind of punchers chance.

I had to watch clips from him and he would get pummeled so bad with Jab it would be bad to watch.

Baer gets ANNIHILATED.

 

P4p-wise Schmeling´s superior to Wlad. I´m talking hw. They are on the same level here. Louis wan´t a novice. He was in with experienced contenders like Lee Ramage and King Levinski and former hw champ Carnera. Many, many people think this was Louis at his very best.

 

They are hardly even at heavyweight. Wlad was a full 6 inches taller than Schmeling, 40 lbs heavier, and his skills are every bit as good as schmelings since working with manny Steward, and even if they aren't, the difference is marginal at best..

Yet most people chalk up his loss to Schmeling as being due to inexperience, and that was with an additional 7 fights past the Baer meeting.

 

stop hyping way over your head ur home boys german gay boy.

 

We can compare Louis and Wlad until we are both blue in the face, but I don't think it strengthens Baer's case much, since he wasn't even remotely competitive against him, and Louis is the only fighter that Baer fought who I rate as being on Wlad's level or higher. I also disagree that Baer was past it against Louis.. he was around 26 years old, and less than 1 year removed from holding the title.. If you're going to use his losing to Jim Braddock as an indication of being past prime, then you have to make the same concession for Tyson losing to Douglas - something that I know you haven't done in the past..

 

Klitschko by KO. Why?
Beacause of the weight and size difference. Baer has the same chance to knock out Klitschko as 147 pound Mayweather to Knock out Jean Pascal, exactly the same size difference.

 

This is really a tough call. One must remember, Wlad's chin really hasn't been tested since Peter in 05. We all seen how Wlad reacted that night, with panic attacks, several knockdowns, and excessive clinching. Peter was aggressive and threw punches from awkward angles, which is why some of the punches ended up landing on the back of Wlad's head. Wlad has learned how to deal with mental weakness behind the jab and grab style Steward perfected for him. Though lucky for him, his opponents have been nothing short of terrible at being able to mount meaningful attack.

I feel the more reckless Max is, the better his chance of landing that big punch on Wlad's weak chin. One thing even the biggest Wlad fan must admit, Wlad does not react well when the going gets tough and the pressure is on. The reason why Wlad has field days with his opponents, is because his opponents often times sit on the outside and fight Wlad's fight. On the inside Wlad's garbage, no uppercut what so ever. One would think that's where you got to try to be all night. Wlad's a great boxer, he's not a great fighter.

 

Guy, read the whole ****ing post. What I said makes sense. Wlad will win rounds with his jab until Baer starts to get inside and hurt him. **** :finger

 

Not really. Schmeling´s far more dimensions to his game than Wlad, has an higher ring iq, actually can feint and set traps ... what Wlad soes he does very good no doubt. But the only advantages he has over Schmeling are physical nature.

Who does? I see that rarely. Most people claim he didn´t take Schmeling serious, underestimated him and trained on the golf course and the bed-room. But him beeing experienced I see very rarely.

I don´t think Wlad is anywhere Louis league - and I rank Wlad highly - yes, Baer wasn´t competative with Louis. But does this say anything for a fight with Wlad? Do they fight similar? I don´t think so.
I never wrote Baer was past his best. I said he wasn´t peak and his loss to Jimmy Braddock is an evidence for that.
I can´t remember argueing Douglas-Tyson, I always stayed clear of that as far as I remember. I argued against Tyson, or more correct his fanboys, often, yes, I still rank him at 7 though. Tyson losing to Douglas is something different alltogether btw.