Chagaev is mandatory and OWNS the title fight

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Goodhill, Feb 22, 2011.


  1. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Haye vs wlad > haye vs chagaev.

    Unification > mandatory.
     
  2. RightCross

    RightCross Grandmaster of Boxing Full Member

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    Chagaev is spot on here. He deserves his shot. He is a former WBA champ, the rightful champ and the WBA continue to **** him. Insanity.
     
  3. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Why would anyone prefer haye-chag to haye-wlad? Insanity!
     
  4. Antsu

    Antsu Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah he did deserve a shot for having to vacate title because of his blood disease, but he didn’t pass medical. After that he luckily landed a shot for another belt (IBF and WBO).
    That fight he looked terrible and was easily destroyed.

    In my eyes he already got his change to fight for the title.

    Well they don’t matter at all. Meehan didn’t do anything to land that mandatory eliminator, so beating him means nothing.

    Now if he would have faced someone who had done something for right to fight mandatory eliminator it would be different.

    Now it’s nothing more than guy getting mandatory position, because of bull**** politics and losing it because HIV infection/bull**** politics.
     
  5. Antsu

    Antsu Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He is the champ who failed to defend his title against a single top-30 fighter, in two years and was stripped because of that.

    After that he challenged IBF/WBO title and lost easily. Since that title shot, he hasn’t done anything to deserve new one.
     
  6. SimplyTheBest

    SimplyTheBest Heavyweight Destroyer Full Member

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    The WBA and they alone have created all this mess. Meehan was the official challenger for 2+ years and they screwed him because of the Valuev/Chagaev/Ruiz circle jerk with their Champions in Recess, step asides and goose stepping to avoid lawsuits from all sides.

    Fact and point is. Chagaev never lost the title legitimately, it was bought off him by Sauerland. Meehan was screwed by being kept out of the picture for 2 years. The WBA had an eliminator between Meehan and Chagaev. Chagaev didn't look great, but he won the match the WBA set up. He deserves his shot now.

    If Chagaev was going to have such a problem from a medical standpoint as alleged, then the WBA shouldn't have sanctioned him in an eliminator for their title. However they did, and they need to stand behind him as the mandatory challenger and enforce it on Haye. There's NO reason Haye cannot box outside the UK, he said himself that he's tried and proven on the road (2 fights and 1 was a gift, yeah ok :lol:). He should have no problem defending his title against the mandatory challenger somewhere agreeable to both boxers, too bad if he can't draw outside the UK.
     
  7. Overhill

    Overhill Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I see your point but in my opinion that's twisted way of thinking what's right & decent. He got robbed by WBA mob and Wlad giving him a shot doesn't make it status quo. They should have rescheduled him a fight in Germany against Valuev. Now he's about to get robbed again even though he did what they asked.

    Imagine yourself to his position..


    C'mon, leave this constant HIV/AIDS trolling to Relentless.
     
  8. Antsu

    Antsu Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Couple of things

    1. Meehan never deserved his position.
    2. Chagaev already had his shot for the title.
    3. Of course Chagaev was stripped and rightly so because he didn’t defend his belts against anyone.
    4. Haye has had more fights outside UK than 2.

    5. It is Chagaevs problem if he can’t fight in U.K not Hayes. Plus David can’t fight him if British Boxing board of control doesn’t allow the fight, not even in Germany.

    5. Why anyone would rather see this than Haye vs Wlad or Haye vs Povetkin is beyond me.
     
  9. SimplyTheBest

    SimplyTheBest Heavyweight Destroyer Full Member

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    Really! This is just uncalled for and ignorant.
     
  10. Antsu

    Antsu Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    In my opinion WBA should have stripped him sooner and forget the champion in recess bull**** in the first place.
    WBA should have also got top guys fighting for mandatory, instead of giving free pas to mandatory position to Chagaev with an easy fight.
    WBA should have also foreseen this hepatitis problem and not give him mandatory eliminator fight in the first place


    But yeah its sucks for him, that they keep ****ing with him, but bottom of line is his medical condition is not anyone else’s fault and Haye can’t be forced to go against British boxing boards orders, just to get fair shake to Chagaev.



    But I think its hilarious :|
     
  11. SimplyTheBest

    SimplyTheBest Heavyweight Destroyer Full Member

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    1. He had the position nonetheless, the WBA ranked him
    2. What shot? The one he was robbed of in Finland?
    3. That's not why he was stripped. Also had he beat Klitschko, he wouldn't have been stripped, he would have Wlad's IFO/WBO/IBO belts and the WBA would've made him Super Champion on the spot. The fact he lost just made it easier to strip him, though he proved he WAS medically fit to fight at the time and should NOT have been stripped.
    4. Fine, more than 2 fights....1 more isn't going to kill him. I seriously doubt the BBBofC can regulate fights outside its jurisdiction. That's like saying the Nevada State Athletic Commission won't sanction a fight in New York, who cares? They can't stop it, they can't strip Haye...only the WBA can.

    5. Of course I'd like to see Haye vs Wlad, but who knows if he'll ever sign. Haye/Povetkin could be interesting as well....but Povetkin did not win an eliminator for the WBA like Chagaev did, Povetkin hasn't even fought a top-10 opponent in years or even looked impressive.
     
  12. lufcrazy

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    Yawn. Who should haye fight?

    Top ten ranked chagaev who hasn't looked good vs meehan?

    Or number 1 ranked wlad who holds 3 belts and knocked out chagaev?

    As boxing fans do we want to see a boring mandatory defence or a unification between two of the top three heavyweights in the world?

    Don't get me wrong, chagaev would be a great addition to haye's resume. But not at the expense of wlad!

    If there is any chance (i'm not really convince about this yet) he should unify instead of defend.

    Most likely scenario in my eyes is IF haye can agree a fight with wlad, he gets made super champion and chag can fight for the vacant belt vs povetkin or valuev.
     
  13. chico g

    chico g Let's watch some Sesame Street...lmao Full Member

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    If the fight with Wlad falls through. rather see Povetkin fight than Chagaev....
     
  14. ashishwarrior

    ashishwarrior I'm vital ! Full Member

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    pammy anderson as hep c but you would still nail it:yep
     
  15. dvb

    dvb Well-Known Member Full Member

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    unless wba make haye fight somehwere were chageav can fight then haye wont have to wste time training for a guy hede ko in one round.an old midget guy with nothin special to his game.

    stil be a name on haye record,but not worthwile fight.

    povetkin would atlest be fresher and more game,if still looking poor under atlas.

    wonder would chag. get passed in america?,haye should have his US debut tbh.