Do you feel these heavyweight fights consisted of robberies, etc.??

nope, Young won it hands down

 

It's pretty silly that this fight is even being considered as a robbery. Some people have agendas but fortunately most sane people can see through that.


Anyway, the word robbery gets thrown around so often that sometimes it loses meaning. Its like every close fight is a robbery these days when that is not the case.

Ali - Norton III: While I scored it for Norton, I can see a plausible scenario where you could score it for Ali; but you'd have to be pretty damn generous.

Foreman - Briggs: This was pretty blatant.

Foreman - Schultz: Wtf?

Spinks - Holmes II: Not the robbery some claim, it was a close fight, but I do think that Holmes should have gotten it.

Ali - Young: Young fought a spoiling fight that was pretty frustrating to watch. Ali forced the fight throughout and frankly this is a situation where you have to take the title from the champ and you don't do that fighting negatively.

Holmes - Witherspoon: I think the public was tired with Holmes as champion. I think that Holmes outpointed him.

Moorer - Bean: Last time I saw the fight was a while ago I had Moorer winning.

Tyson - Tillis: It was a clear win. It was a competitive fight in relation to Tyson's other fights but in no way shape or form was it a robbery.

didn't see Holmes Harris so no comment.

 

"Ali W15 Young" of '76. >>no

"Ali W15 Norton 3" of '76. >>>YES

"Holmes W12 Spoon" of '83 >>no

"Spinks W15 Holmes 2" of '86. >>YES

"Tyson W10 Tillis" of '86. >>no

"Foreman W12 Schulz" of '95. >> no

"Moorer W12 Bean" of '96. >>no

"Holmes W10 Harris" of '97. >>no

"Briggs W12 Foreman" of 97. >>maybe

 

James Fighting-Cowgirl Tillis says he won 8 rounds, look on youtube.:hat

 

Ali W15 Young right I thought...Young made Ali miss and look bad but didn't attack enough himself.

Ali W15 Norton 3...I change my mind on this. I do think Norton giving away the last round cost him.

Holmes W12 Witherspoon...I think Witherspoon should've had the nod here.

Spinks W15 Holmes 2...Larry should've had it.

Tyson W10 Tillis...I thought Tillis deserved 4 rounds, we had this discussion a while back, but there's no way I could stretch that to 5 let alone 6. Some people think 'close loss' = 'hey, maybe he WON!' sometimes.

Foreman W12 Schulz...Schulz ripped off, should've had the victory

Moorer W12 Bean...much like Ali-Young in a way, Bean good at making a lazy Moorer miss and look bad but forgot to actually do much attacking himself.

Holmes W10 Harris...Mo deserved it. Outjabbed an old slow Holmes.

Briggs W12 Foreman...Foreman deserved it, though Briggs kept throwing and arguably deserved 4 rounds. Still should've been George's though, I think they were trying to give him a hint and George actually took it.

 

spoon vs holmes 100%, foreman vs briggs 100%, ali never did beat norton, ali vs jimmy young 100%, joe louis vs walcott 1. shavers vs young 2.

i think that meldrick taylor deserved the victory against chavez in the first fight. pernell whitaker did beat chavez really.

 

Now, let's see:

"Ali W15 Young" of '76 - No. Jimmy scored enough points to make it interesting. But he removed his body from the line of fire (outside the ring) when Muhammad showed any aggresive intentions. You don't win a boxing match by "running away" from the ring when you apprehend harm.

"Ali W15 Norton 3" of '76 - No. I always thought that there was no clear cut winner in this one. Anyway, Norton didn't deserve the decision. Ali was badly faded by this time, while Kenny was in his prime. He should have decisively taken away the crown from Ali in this one. You know, the old boxing adage about having to take the crown and not being given it to become a champion applies here.

"Holmes W12 Spoon" of '83 - Not really. This is similar to the Ali-Norton 3 bout in as much as that Witherspoon could be given the decision but he allowed Larry to make it look interesting. In other words, Spoon did not do enough to wrest the championship from Holmes. But in all fairness to Spoon, whereas Norton had faced Ali twice before and was in his prime, Tim hadn't fought his opponent before and was still to reach his prime when he faced Holmes.

"Spinks W15 Holmes 2" of '86 - Maybe. But I still think that Holmes should have been more convincing for the decision to qualify as a robbery.

"Tyson W10 Tillis" of '86 - No way. Tillis gave Iron Mike a run for his money in this one and deserves our respect for this. But he certainly didn't win the fight.

"Foreman W12 Schulz" of '95 - This may just qualify as a robbery. Foreman was a huge sentimental favourite. His just finishing the fight with the thoroughly worked on face was enough to touch many hearts. To be fair to George here though, he was trying till the very end.

"Moorer W12 Bean" of '96 - Can't comment. Haven't watched this one.

"Holmes W10 Harris" of '97 - Again can't comment because I haven't this one too.

"Briggs W12 Foreman" of 97 - No comments. Watched only parts. Must watch the full fight.

 

I had Witherspoon beating Holmes 115-114. No robbery, but the 118-111 scorecard for Holmes was pretty outrageous.

I had Foreman beating Briggs 116-112. That was a pretty bad decision, I consider it a robbery.

I had Holmes beating Spinks in the rematch 144-141. I thought that was a robbery.

Tyson-Tillis was in no way a robbery. Tillis gave Tyson a decent fight but Tyson won clearly.

An Ali fight where I think he got lucky was the Shavers fight. It's funny, I read a Shavers interview where he said he agreed with the decision, and said Ali fairly won it. I had Shavers winning by 3 and felt I was being a tad generous to Ali. His pitty-pat flurries for most of the fight didn't impress me at all.

 

Horrible decisions,,,,,,,,,,,,,confirmed by the press

Ali vs. Jimmy Young
Ali vs Kenny Norton III
Clay vs Doug Jones

Jimmy Ellis vs Floyd Patterson,,,,,though most had it a Draw.

 

Brits seem more comfortable with the word "****" than us Americans. We, however, are more enamored of "mother****er". I would like to say that both are perfectly valid profanities and suitable for a variety of places and situations. It is simply a matter of culturally-based preference.

Oh, and Norton was totally robbed.