Analyzed Clottey vs Pac and I commend Clottey

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  1. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Loyal Member Full Member

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    Before I get into this I know I'm gonna get blasted for this and called the worst poster on ESB by some if you dont already think so but I think Clottey did alright vs Manny

    I also learned that Im not gonna criticize another fight or performance without seeing it. I used to blast this fight based on the posts of others but I watched it for myself and came away with a new perspective.

    Now Im not saying Clottey won, or won rounds or looked tremendous but I think he did better than he gets credit for. None of Mannys opponents have really looked good to begin with but Id be willing to bet that of anybody post Oscar Clottey would give the best rematch.

    The impression I got from this fight was the same impression I got from Paul Williams vs Winky Wright. Clottey like Wright blocked a lot of what Manny had to offer and when he did throw he landed at a high accuracy and clean. The problem was he like Winky didnt have the power or activity to really sway the fight.

    What I saw Clottey accomplish that others before and after him did not post Oscar:

    He took the least punishment of any of the fighters

    He landed similar blows throughout all rounds and didnt peter out down the stretch

    He landed his punches with accuracy and cleanly, he never hurt Manny, stunned, wobbled or shook him up but you could see the punches have an affect

    His jab was very accurate, his right hand was very accurate and seemed bother some, and his left hook to the body was accurate

    His high guard neutralized Manny's best punch in the arsenal, the left hand forcing the right hook to be his vital punch and it was effective

    Manny looked very frustrated and angry at times where as he was all smiles and very cool vs Margo and Cotto and Hatton

    Manny with that Frustration used much less foot work than usual and was very straight on

    Another mistake he made was he would at times go head to head with Clottey almost daring him to throw and Clottey would unleash this uppercut though it never really landed he was given the chance

    Though for the good I saw Clottey did a lot of bad and lost pretty handily cause of it:

    His defense was very good but eventually Manny would attack the body charge in and get in a good combination upstairs

    His out put was too low, for a guy who could hit Manny as easily as he did he was very inactive for what ever reason fear, nervousness, didnt wanna get hit I dont know

    He had way too much respect for Manny, you need to respect your opponent but Clottey seemed too nice out there

    Now Im not saying that Clottey could ever win a rematch but I think he out of the recent fights could make a better case of himself if given another try. I only had him win 1 round the 5th if you stretched there was a case to give him a few others but thats a big stretch.

    In a rematch he would have to open up more and just take the fight to Manny more. I think in that fight we saw the best possible Manny and a less than best Clottey. So it would only be natural to get a better bout. Or it could backfire and a more Aggressive Clottey gets caught and beat up worse because he opens up more.

    I know its a long post but if your gonna bash me atleast read some of it, I dont expect most of you to agree with me on this I also will remind I dont think Clottey could win I'm saying I give him more credit nowthat I saw the fight
     
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  2. cesare-borgia

    cesare-borgia Übermensch in fieri Full Member

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    clottey was scared to get knocked out, his shell wasnt cracked but him not opening up cost him a lot of rounds. almost all. The only rhing that worried me was how easy he landed some uppercuts. I dont get clotteys logic though why ***** your way to some cash and a bad reputation. If he fought like he would have against cotto he might still have lost but we would have a lot more respect for the guy and he could get bigger fights.
     
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  3. rayrobinson

    rayrobinson Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'd prefer to go out like Hatton - out of my depth , but always fighting.
     
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  4. ekar

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    No point to boxing if u aint in it to win. I rather him get knock out trying then just be on the guard and lose. I give margarito propes cause even tough he was out gun, He at least tired till the very end.
     
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  5. Starched Him

    Starched Him Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Clottey Never wins
     
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  6. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    Clottey is a good B level fighter at best.
     
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  7. COLD-HARD-TRUTH

    COLD-HARD-TRUTH Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I disagree... Clottey is one of the most underrated fighters in boxing. There are few fighters out there with better defense... his problem is he is too defensive minded. Say what you want but he beat Cotto's ass... Cotto getting the decision was a flat out robbery, and I'm a Cotto fan. Clottey to me is basically a welterweight Winky Wright... great fundamentals, great defense but not a lot of punching power and not marketable in the least.
     
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  8. cesare-borgia

    cesare-borgia Übermensch in fieri Full Member

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    I absolutely disagree that cut messed cotto up but clotteys inactivity in the final rounds caused for him to lose the fight. I had it 114-113 for cotto, I had a bet on clottey and if he tried hard enough he could have won. It was a very close fight put cotto edged it with the knockdown on my card. that definitely isnt a robbery though, whitaker vs chavez is a robbery.
     
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  9. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    If anything you should get criticism for blasting a fight you haven't even seen!
     
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  10. rocky538

    rocky538 Lineal Champion Full Member

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    If Clottey is so good defensively he would not have been so afraid of being KO'd.

    He is completely unable of slipping punches. His only defense is to shell up with a high guard, punching bag at best.

    Clottey was stunned and knocked down by a Cotto jab, he protects his weak chin nothing more, solid -B level fighter.
     
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  11. Starched Him

    Starched Him Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  12. cincyjacket

    cincyjacket Active Member Full Member

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    He gets no credit because it doesn't take much skill just to turtle up and survive until the end of the match.
     
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  13. Divi253

    Divi253 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Clottey did what he said he would. If he had come with a gameplan to throw more punches and be less defensive I think he would have done a lot better, that just wasn't going to happen though. He wasn't scared to be knocked out like most Pac fans want to believe, he stated BEFORE the fight he would throw 4 to Manny's 30 and block most of Manny's while doing damage with his own 4. He however underestimated both Manny's power and Manny's ability to take punishment. He thought he would break him down eventually with his power, bad gameplan. Pac came out with the perfect gameplan and the fight happened how it did.
     
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  14. Divi253

    Divi253 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Go to the scene and search "I will wear Down Manny Pacquiao". It was an article posted BEFORE the fight stating he would throw 4 punches to Manny's 30. People even commented on there BEFORE the fight that it was a horrible gameplan.
     
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  15. Quincy K

    Quincy K Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I had the gahnian piece of **** in that fight at +270 and he did not win. And he shouldn't have. Cotto suffered a brutal headbut from the the ghanian's noggin in the second or third round, bleeding profusely for the remaining duration of the fight. Like the warrior that Cotto is, he valiantly fought on through this serious handicap and the ghanian did nothing to capitalize on the very unfortunate circumstances. And the gahnian lost the championship rounds by doing nothing.

    Clottey is a piece of **** who ripped off all the boxing fans with his silent contract with Pac. Rundimentary fight fans don't realize that Clottey is the only fighter north of 147 that was not severly compromised before the fight(both Marg and Cotto were ruined, DLH was weight-drained and shot).

    Clottey is a poor man's Oba Carr. And even that is disrespectful to Carr. To even put a value on Clottey at this juncture just shows how bad the state of boxing is right now. Not to mention Alvarez fighting Hatton for a 154 title. Norris,Mcclellan,McCallum,Toney,Nunn,Benn,Hagler,Trinidad,etc. must be in disgust at the level of boxers right now.

    Thankfully, fight fans have Penn/Fitch and Hendo/Feijao to look foward too...both with very good undercards.

    Alvarez/Hatton for a 154 WBC belt? Un****inbelievable. Hatton has never even fought at 154.
     
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