Henry Armstrong - greatest puncher

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  1. laxpdx

    laxpdx Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Not the greatest puncher but a damn effective one. Henry's punches could hurt you. Throw in the nonstop aggression, Henry will kill you. To have a chance against him, you would need only the best defensive abilities and a punch of your own to get his attention. Not to mention a hell of a lot of stamina.
     
  2. Boxed Ears

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    His natural size is a big part of this argument, I'd think.
     
  3. Manassa

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    Of course. Armstrong was usually at a weight disadvantage, but he still got those knockouts.

    I honestly don't believe there is a fighter out there with a more impressive knockout record, considering level of opposition, size disadvantages, knockout ratios and consecutive knockouts.
     
  4. GPater11093

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    I can see where your coming from, the objective of a puncher is to disable his opponent, however, I would argue that the method of a puncher is what classes him as that, and not his goal.

    A punchers method is to disable you with a punch and KO you. Armstrong's method was to drown you in a torrent of leather with a few tidal waves thrown in.

    I agree that his punching power is underlooked, but by that token, it also is not the quality of a great puncher, sure he was a solid hitter though.


    I think Armstrong is just such a good all-rounder, that you could near argue him great in anything. I would class him as one of the best fighters we have ever seen in the sport, and a great swarmer but nothing else.
     
  5. PowerPuncher

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    No way he was quantity over quality, and if he was fighting his career at 126lbs (which he probably struggled to make) he wouldn't be blowing out many opponents with 1 shot. And its not just about power his technique isn't top level aside from maybe his overhand right
     
  6. Swarmer

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    Dunno what PP is talking about, Henry had a great uppers and hooks with both hands. a mediocre jabber, but with his head movement he adjusted well in that regard.

    He also weighed in at 124 before he went up to get ross as well. I think with a proper regimen he might have managed to stay at FW for the majority of his career.

    Armstrong is an underrated puncher, but not the best(that's Langford for me). He didn't create enough space for his punches to really get the 1punch kos over a range of weight you need for this 'title' imo. He did his work right in someone's face, and there's only so much mustard you can put on a punch at that range.
     
  7. Manassa

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    Whether Armstrong would not or could not spear you with straight rights like Hearns, or hook as stylishly as Robinson, or even as powerfully as Foster, doesn't matter one bit in my book. He was still steamrolling opposition; you'd say Joe Frazier was a better puncher than Mac Foster, right? Armstrong just grouped his **** together and launched himself at an opponent; his punches were probably 7/10 on the scale of raw power, but they hit with such regularity that nobody his own size could cope. However he stopped opponents, he was still doing it, he was still causing a lot of damage, whatever time in the fight; early, middle or late.

    Remember what I said earlier about the footage of Armstrong. None of us have seen him knock out anyone, so we can't really judge him by anything else other than his record; the footage does him no justice whatsoever.

    How about this; in that three year streak that I keep going on about, only the following men lasted the distance with Armstrong in sixty one fights (the same number of fights as Joe Louis first retired with in '49 [60-1 (51)]):

    Aldo Spoldi - 9lbs heavier - later knocked out twice by Armstrong
    Baby Arizmendi - durable and slippery, Hall of Famer
    Lou Ambers - again, durable and slippery, definite great lightweight
    Ceferino Garcia - up to 12lbs heavier
    Ernie Roderick - 10lbs heavier
    Jimmy Garrison - lasted the distance once during Armstrong's three year streak, once after that, too, but was stopped in '39 and then again in later years
    Barney Ross - last fight of Ross' short, successful career; a true great in his own right and never stopped

    Compared to the many, many contenders Armstrong simply beat the crap out of, the above list isn't much of a mark at all.

    Let it be known; Armstrong, in his day, was notorious as a big puncher and thought to be near invincible because nobody could deal with his attack.
     
  8. Boucher

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    I see him as an accumulation puncher who wore you down, very low heart beat that gave him unlimited stamina ,so he could maintain incessant agression.
    He had pop, but not top flight pop, imo.
    Jeff Fenech scored 21 kos in 29 wins ,and he wasn't a puncher as such ,just wore you down with work rate.
    Hank had more oomph ,than the Aussie, but he was not a concussive hitter imo.
     
  9. di tullio

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    I agree with whoever mentioned the film. If there were more knockouts on film, he'd be less underrated as a puncher.
     
  10. Manassa

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    Does it matter though? That's the real question I'm trying to put out there. If Armstrong wasn't knocking anyone out then I'd obviously not even consider him for the title, but... He was. He was destroying people, accumulation or not.
     
  11. Boucher

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    Does it matter?
    I suppose that depends on how you define "greatest puncher".
    There have probably been harder one shot punchers than Joe Louis at heavyweight? Shavers- Baer probably.


    Alexis Arguello at feather? Hamed probably - Saddler possibly , but no one denies the former were great punchers.
    If you go by statistics you have a strong case.
    ps. Armstrong stated Arizmendi had the best chin he met, the guy had a huge neck and head,often the sign of a durable man, do they absorb the punches better, because of their physiognomy? I don't know.
    It's a good thread you' ve put up, food for thought.
     
  12. Manassa

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    Cheers, yeah, Arizmendi was built like a small LaMotta. A large skull with a thick neck for support surely must contribute. But then you've got the spidery Al Brown who wasn't knocked out in his whole career - maybe he leaned away from the big shots.
     
  13. ripcity

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    Are we talking about Armstrong being the greatest puncher in terms of boxing style or the guy who throws the best punches?
    If we are talking in terms of style than I agree that Aemstrong is the greatest puncher. Armstrong > Duran, Chavez and Pacquiao. However if we are talking about punching abillity and impact there are better boxers. Robinson and Hearns come to mind. Louis and Tyson deserve mention. I'm sure there are more.
     
  14. Swarmer

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    armstrong claims to have carried ross as well btw
     
  15. McGrain

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    Manassa, would you not always have Williams (similar size) ahead of Armstrong as a puncher? I'd have Armstrong ahead in composite terms myself, which puts me closer to agreement with the spirit of the thread but in disagreement to what I would have said was your thinking?