"Hopkins is a 46 years old cry baby"

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by technocrato, Feb 25, 2011.


  1. Kingkazim

    Kingkazim Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :patsch

    Then all judges are wrong
     
  2. MattMattMatt

    MattMattMatt Guest

    The judges are just following the rules of boxing. All fighters are aware that one legitimate knockdown under almost all circumstances will result in a 10-8 round in their favour. The only times that a 10-8 potentially doesn't occur is if more than one knockdown happens, a foul is commited and penalised, or one fighter is being utterly dominated (this usually requires being clearly hurt but remaining on their feet), an example of this would be Khan v Maidana rd10.

    As far as I'm aware, there are no circumstances were a fighter who is knocked down who was otherwise winning the round 10-9, would end up with anything better than a 10-8 against them.

    It's just how the rules work, it's the same for everybody. I'm sure with all of Bernard's experience he was aware of this and the effect it would have on scoring.
     
  3. Kingkazim

    Kingkazim Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hmm guess your right then.
    I had the idea that 10-9 rounds could come into play if the fighter who was knocked down won the round.

    In this case, i still believe Hopkins won the fight but i may need to rescore it because i had him up by 2 points.

    Its all similiar to the Pac vs marquez fight 1
     
  4. Masamune

    Masamune Active Member Full Member

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    I am no Calzahge nut hugger - but Hopkins did not do enough to win that fight - it was clear to the folks at home watching on TV let alone the ringside judges that from the 9th round onwards he was struggling with the pace and joes output and then resorted to looking for a DQ .

    I watched a rerun of Hopkins v Pascal the other night and was disgusted in the decision - you expect home town gifts like that if its a german fighter in Germany but Pascal sucked in that fight.

    What I find more alarming is though Bernard has lost none of his guile and ring craft he does seem to have lost some punch resistance - watching that cuffing shot he took around the side of the head drop him in the 1st reminded me of how quickly he went down off RJJ hitting him around the back of the head - then the collapse in the dresssing room later , its a red flag for a man of his age competing at the very top of the most demanding sport there is ,

    I fear he may have the body of a 30 year old athlete but the punch resistance of a 46 year old man.
     
  5. Boinko

    Boinko Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I like Pascal, but he needs to show some humility going into this fight. You don't look like much of a man by talking trash about a 46 year old you barely beat (and many think you didn't beat) in your last fight.
    Worry about the fight, and let Hopkins talk the trash. He's the master of it, and will do enough of it for both of you.
     
  6. nightmare nick

    nightmare nick Take that Bald Bull Full Member

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    I don't mind pascal saying this. i agree. hopkins is a baby and a poor sport. i also think hopkins won this fight. that being said i never understood people saying the taylor fights, particularly the first one, was a controversial decision. a fight that is close but you lose clearly is not controversial.
     
  7. leejunfan777

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    jean pascal lost that fight big time he was dominated for the entire 2nd part of the fight
     
  8. des3995

    des3995 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I also thought Pascal lost the fight, but I don't think it was a robbery. The 2 KD's make the draw plausible. However, I think it appears more of a robbery than it actually was because Hopkins outperformed Pascal for the majority of the fight, and for long stretches. Although I did have Hopkins ahead at the end, it was a matter of a round or 2 here or there, and there were some close ones.
     
  9. demigawd

    demigawd Boxing Addict Full Member

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    To change a 10-8 to a 10-9, the knocked down fighter would have to basically dominate the rest of the round. Hopkins did better than Pascal the rest of those two rounds, but he didn't remotely dominate.
     
  10. rushman

    rushman Devoid is Devoid Full Member

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    Which is why I find it amazing that people wanted to put Hopkins back into the P4P top 10 after his mediocre performance against a mediocre title holder in a mediocre division.
     
  11. technocrato

    technocrato Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hopkins said himself he thought he won 7 rounds. Put in the two knock downs and you have an even fight.

    Give that though to Pascal: his fights are exciting. His main problem is the fact that he can't keep the same pace after the first four rounds. I have never seen a boxer lacking so much of fuel fight after fight after he passes the 6th round.
     
  12. oibighead

    oibighead G.O.A.T. Full Member

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    hes 46?

    pascal is .... 28 ?



    some people lack serious amounts of braincells...
     
  13. rushman

    rushman Devoid is Devoid Full Member

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    P4P has nothing to do with age. You don't get bonus P4P points because you are old.
     
  14. oibighead

    oibighead G.O.A.T. Full Member

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    it does when you walk around on a zimmerframe
     
  15. rushman

    rushman Devoid is Devoid Full Member

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    Nah, not even then. It doesn't affect P4P at all.

    However, it does add to their ATG status.