Manny Pacquiaos So Called Improvements: Careful Matchmaking?

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  1. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    I think the main thing is that Pac has improved but he has had the foundation of that skillset from the beginning. It's not just now that you see Pac going upstairs and downstairs, throwing right hooks and uppercuts. You see it MORE, but he is not a revolutionized fighter. Drawing and countering, angles, feints, blocking effectively, going in and out... He was doing that in his featherweight days as well and against a higher level of competition. It's just that he has taken that to a higher level now with the experience that he has and also he is facing great but not ALL TIME GREAT skilled competition. His greatest improvement imo has been the tactical part where now he has a comprehensive gameplan when he is fighting and he can adapt that gameplan according to what his opponent shows him. Before he was using dynamic skills but almost instinctively.

    Noone can say that Hatton, Cotto, Margarito is on the same level as Barrera, Marquez, and Morales. Yes the former are bigger but Pac has physically adapted well to the higher weight class and moved up the proper way allowing his body to get used to the division and increasing his power.
     
  2. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    Why Barrera? he suffered a terrible AZZ beating at the hands of emmanuel.:nut
     
  3. Uncle Rico

    Uncle Rico Loyal Member Full Member

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    Exactly, Swarmer :good

    I wish I had the tools to go off and make a video to emphasize those points, but the best one I can find is the one below. It's not quite as in-depth as the ones in the opening post, but it does briefly touch upon the subtle things Pacquiao seems to do now. He's more relaxed in there, and no longer feels he must be the first to initiate and commit attacks (although, yes, it can be argued that his opponents aren't forcing him to do so). But still, don't expect JMM to have the same success he was having 3 years ago.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNWVUyT1lE0[/ame]
     
  4. MichiganWarrior

    MichiganWarrior Still Slick! Still Black! Full Member

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    I love Pacquiaos jab. Probably one of the only things they got right on Fight Night Champion.
     
  5. bald_head_slick

    bald_head_slick Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yeah it is careful matchmaking. Along with weight draining. Along with catching guys with turmoil in their camp. Along with purse doubling post fight bonuses. That guy was using a million ruffles and flourishes to say some pretty blah stuff. JMM counter punched. He is a counter puncher. The other guys didn't. They aren't counter punchers. What type of genius do you need to be to analyse that?

    The ONLY guy Manny has fought that was a true counter puncher was... Clottey! Who busted up Manny the worst? Clottey! Who got a strange purse doubling post fight bonus? Clottey! Fight insurance?

    Any man who effectively fights off of his back foot will give an aggressive fighter issues. Any guy who comes forward is putting the fight in the hands of nature, i.e., who is the fastest, most accurate, and strongest. Every single one of those Boxer Punchers and Swarmers who got in there with Manny thought they were the bigger stronger man and possibly where. It ended accordingly when speed and accuracy trumped their attributes.
     
  6. PH|LLA

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    Barrera is an elite fighter but Manny was young and ferocious in those days and styles make fights. Marquez has the right style to fight Pac, Pac has the right style to fight Barrera. I would have bet on Barrera to beat MArquez back in 2003.
     
  7. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes careful matchmaking. Please show me a post of yours dating back 3 years ago where you said if they matched him with Cotto, Hatton, DLH and Margo he would destroy them...
     
  8. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    He was the favorite coming in all those fights save the Oscar one. Perceptions at the time of the fight matter most.

    People would laugh at us 3 years ago for saying he would beat Mosley, but AS OF NOW he's getting **** for fighting Shane.
     
  9. crimson

    crimson Boxing Addict banned

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    The video is idiotic. He says something (analysis) then the fighter actually does the opposite.

    He said Cotto does not move yet exactly after he said that Cotto moves and dodges using both feet and upper body movement. He cuts the video.

    LOL. You must be a lemming to believe this noob manipulation. (or preaching to the choir)
     
  10. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Exactly, he became the favourite because he improved. If Pac hasnt improved since then we may have the same perceptions as we did 3 years ago.
     
  11. bald_head_slick

    bald_head_slick Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Improved? You mean the weight draining? The fighting leftovers? The fighting fighters with camps in turmoil? Strategically placing guys in divisions when they have done nothing to deserve being there? The hiring of other guys' main sparring partners? :lol:

    Keep closing your eyes to the facts. Fights are sometimes won outside of the ring. :hey
     
  12. thats a very very good video.
     
  13. labintador

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    Lol at the guy who made the video calling Cotto, Clottey etc. bums or B-C level class fighters.

    Would they be champs or ranked welters if they were bums? Marquez is definitely a great technician. HOFer.

    But how can you call Pac's success as something due largely to careful matchmaking? Was team Pac able to see into the future and see that this opponent so and so will react this way and that way in the ring with Pac? These opponents had months to prepare for the fight. They had the Marquez fight videos that they can use as a template for fighting Pac. Would team Pac have known that these opponents would fail to follow the template? This is not scripted WWE crap. Fact is, Cotto, Clottey etc. were champs or ranked fighters when they fought Pac.

    It's like his: The guy in the video is saying that Bradley and Berto are better competition for Pac. If Pac beats them and they fail to fight Pac the Marquez way, would he then call them bums and B-C level fighters?

    Don't worry folks. After Mosley, the only next big fight available is Marquez. Arum has said it. You'll get your wish.
     
  14. PH|LLA

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    neither Bradley nor Berto have better movement than Cotto
     
  15. labintador

    labintador Active Member Full Member

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    Exactly. There wasn't a perception before those fights that Pac would dominate them the way he did. People were saying they would be AT THE LEAST close fights. Some said Pac would get ko'd.