Larry holmes and george foreman

If you put peak holmes 80 in the ring with the peak aggressive and trusting george foreman 73-74. In a time machine. Foreman don´t know holmes and holmes don´t know foreman. In your opinion , who would win?
I know that styles make fights and holmes would give many problems to foreman, but i pick the best foreman to beat the best holmes.
Motives:
1_ holmes was not as strong mentally as ali.
2_ ali even in 1974 was better than larry holmes, more skilled, he had better chin, more stamina, he was more inteligent, he had faster hands and faster legs.
3_ali never did accept the exchange of blows like holmes did against punchers and early.
4_ i think that foreman would finish holmes, shavers could not finish holmes, but foreman was more durable, bigger,stronger, h e had better chin than shavers,he had more heart, he had ultimate power in both hands, he was better finisher than shavers. I think that the best foreman would stop the best holmes in the first fight. PROBABLY HOLMES WOULD FIGHT WITH BRAIN IN THE REMATCH AND HE WOULD TAKE A DECISION.

 

ALI HAD MORE ADVANTAGES OVER FOREMAN IN HIS STYLE THAN HOLMES DID.
HOLMES DID ACcEPT THE EXCHANGE OF BLOWS.

PEAK HOLMES WAS SIMILAR TO ALI 70s, but holmes had more hitting power, but he did not hit as hard as frazier or norton, ali was faster, he had better chin, ali had better stamina, ali was stronger mentally than holmes too.

 

maybe, but again... holmes did not have the chin, the stamina, the mind and the speed of ali. ali was counterpunching foreman because he had very fast hands. holmes was very brave against punchers and it is because i think that he would be stoped by foreman, you can´t play "to be a puncher" against george foreman.

 

Shavers had underrated hand speed to go along with his 80 inch reach, yet Holmes dominated the best version of Earnie to ever step foot in the ring. George was simply too slow to succeed for even a moment like Shavers did in the Holmes rematch. Larry retreated for 15 rounds against the physically strong and iron chinned Cobb while continually beating the **** out of Tex.

Prime Foreman's only significant display of power in a round beyond the fifth came when he stunned Young at the outset of round seven. George would have no more success following up any such advantage on Holmes, a master survivalist, than he did with Jimmy.

Because of Foreman's chin and strength, I think he does make it to the championship rounds, where Larry inflicts a ghoulishly macabre beating on a by then hideously swollen and exhausted hulk. Go right ahead. Put this one in the Astrodome in front of George's Houston partisans. He'll still have no more success than Tex had there, and might even be lucky if he does so well as to somehow last the distance like Cobb. (Actually, Foreman-Cobb would be no cinch for George, as Tex outlasted Shavers and decisioned the huge and monstrous punching Mercado. Only Holmes could easily decision Cobb prior to drug abuse and drinking dissipating Tex by 1985. Norton, Dokes and Douglas had to settle for MDs and SDs.)

Does it get to the final bell? I think not. Cobb had stamina Foreman lacked, and a better chin than George possessed as a youth. Foreman was too wide open, and his face was too susceptible to swelling. And yes, a shutout on the scorecards at the time this one ends is entirely possible for Larry, who only cleanly lost a grand total of two knockdown rounds to Shavers and Snipes out of 32 completed stanzas. I also agreed with judge Joe Swessel's 150-135 shutout score in favor of Holmes over Berbick. Holmes-Foreman would not be a close fight.

 

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when exactly prime foreman faced jimmy young? in dreams?

 

I'm trying to give George every benefit I can. If we take away his seventh round onset stunning of Young, then there's virtually nothing he has in the way of a power display beyond round five during his first career.

No, Holmes-Foreman would not be a close fight. George too slow and too wide open and easy a huge target to have a chance here, even a puncher's chance. The idea that he could put away Larry early when even a peak and blistering fast Tyson had difficulty doing this to an obviously rusty and misfiring 38 year old Holmes is a tremendous leap of faith.

How often did we see George optimize his height and reach with straight punching? Larry would have an enormous advantage from long range with his division history best jab and excellent fast right. Foreman would be too far away to be able to make much use of his physical strength. Nobody could take Holmes out with a single shot, or else Shavers would have done it. Carl Williams, Witherspoon and Michael Spinks all had speed, skill and mobility George never possessed. Cooney was another huge hitter with little speed, and Larry beat the crap out of him (and likely carried Gerry past that second round knockdown to try selling an easy and lucrative rematch).

Foreman cut off the ring with steps to the right against opponents circling clockwise. In the first Shavers fight especially though, Holmes flew around the ring counterclockwise, a weird and unusual movement pattern to apply against an orthodox stance, and George wouldn't have an answer for it. (In 1993, Tommy Morrison took a lopsided decision win in part by deploying the same counterclockwise running strategy.)

Yes, Cobb had a better chin during his prime than what Foreman displayed against Ali and Lyle. As easy to hit as George was, if he spent eight rounds with Shavers or ten with Mercado like Tex did, he'd hit the deck at some point.