Do you really want this s**t in boxing?

Duck Dodgers · Feb 27, 2011

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/26/AR2011022604083.html?sub=AR

http://www.topix.net/content/wapo/2011/02/feeling-cheated

The U.S. Anti-Doping Agency, arguably the world's most respected anti-doping agency, has spent more than $50 million on drug testing in its 11 years of existence. Yet according to a Washington Post analysis of the cases, about half of the more than 250 athletes sanctioned for testing violations since 2000 were penalized for unwitting consumption, misfortune or use of recreational drugs that remain banned though they are not known to be performance-enhancing.
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Though it's impossible to measure the deterrent effect, it's clear the tests are not rounding up scores of cheaters. One prominent lab director estimated the worldwide rate of positives to be no more than 1 percent; the World Anti-Doping Agency keeps no statistics on the issue, so it's impossible to know, and the pro leagues don't disclose their numbers. USADA ran 8,580 tests in 2009 and sanctioned 20 athletes, a rate of just over 0.2 percent.
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Yet while they've stamped out old problems, new ones have emerged. At least 34 non-U.S. athletes have been sanctioned since 2002 for anti-doping rules violations even though arbitration panels pointedly concluded they did not intend to cheat, according to a review of a limited number of available cases. Though the rules have incorporated more leniency than in the past, bans of fewer than six months are rare.
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Olympic skeleton favorite Zach Lund used an anti-balding product that contained a banned substance and got sent home from the 2006 Winter Games. Swimming star Jessica Hardy consumed an energy drink later found to have been contaminated by a substance not on its label; she got thrown off the 2008 U.S. Olympic team. Swimmer Emily Brunemann reached for a laxative after a trip to Mexico; she accidentally took one of her mother's prescription drugs and earned a six-month ban in 2009.
Rockville's Emilia Morrow tested positive for two ingredients in her prescription medication at a taekwondo competition last February. Morrow, then a senior at Thomas Wootton High, had never before taken a drug test. She was banned six months.
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Howard Jacobs, an attorney who specializes in anti-doping cases, said the problem goes beyond the occasional case. He said in the last decade he has defended 15 athletes who probably doped intentionally, four whose positive tests were for recreational marijuana use and 75 that he classified as inadvertent cases. And then there was Taurasi, who wasn't positive at all.
Michael Straubel, a professor at Valparaiso University School of Law, says only a couple of the 10 to 15 athletes he has represented have not been inadvertent cases.
Improvements in testing - such as enhanced measuring techniques that allow tinier quantities of drugs to be detected - theoretically enhance the chances of catching cheaters. But in practice, critics say, they mostly succeed in finding traces of banned substances consumed unintentionally.
A recent study by a German anti-doping laboratory suggested that food contamination may be a rising problem for drug-tested athletes; the lab tested 28 non-athletes who traveled to China and found 22 positive for clenbuterol - the same drug for which Hardy, Contador and many other athletes tested positive.
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Doping systems are further hampered by occasional lab mistakes and the slow progress of anti-doping science, which historically has lacked the funding and support to keep up with deep-pocketed cheaters. A test for human growth hormone, which is believed to be widely abused, has been in use since 2004, but only two athletes have been sanctioned for using the drug.
USADA has banned more athletes for using marijuana (40) than any other drug, and never reported a positive test for HGH.
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Regardless of the rules they follow, all leagues and anti-doping bodies are dependent upon the same slate of available drug tests. They also rely on the same labs; WADA has accredited 35 internationally. Though many are top-notch and not prone to errors, critics say, there are a few known to do shoddy work. The Turkish lab that analyzed Taurasi's sample - and later admitted that it had mistakenly called it positive - had been suspended by WADA in 2009.

After the Beijing Olympics, the positive tests of two Belarusan hammer throwers were thrown out after an arbitration panel ruled the Beijing lab made significant errors. U.S. sprinter LaTasha Jenkins was cleared in 2006 on the basis of errors by labs in Germany and Belgium.
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Perhaps the local drug testing gurus can offer some insight here. :roll:

Pfistsofury · Feb 27, 2011

I think they know it’s herb......... they just think Hatton was on the drugs before Pacquiao.

igotJUIC3 · Feb 27, 2011

so your against drug testing?

Pfistsofury · Feb 27, 2011

Performance.

Pfistsofury · Feb 27, 2011

“You smoke a bit of herb and you think you can take on anybody”.

Techniques · Feb 27, 2011

Weed is nothing bad

arsabs · Feb 27, 2011

drug testing that arent really reliable to begin with but most joyboys cling on as the reason for the supposedly biggest fight not happening.

Duck Dodgers · Feb 27, 2011

igotJUIC3 said: ↑

so your against drug testing?
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Not even close. What I'm against is bull****, superfluous and intrusive drug testing. I'm against 21st century witch hunts and the inconsistent disregard for Blackstone's Formulation. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that the current drug testing protocol in boxing is insufficient or that USADA or any other organizations are any better. Frankly, there is more evidence to the contrary.

With the recent proliferation of drug testing experts on this forum, I'd love to hear some thoughts on these revelations and statistics.

igotJUIC3 · Feb 27, 2011

Duck Dodgers said: ↑

Not even close. What I'm against is bull****, superfluous and intrusive drug testing. I'm against 21st century witch hunts and the inconsistent disregard for Blackstone's Formulation. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that the current drug testing protocol in boxing is insufficient or that USADA or any other organizations are any better. Frankly, there is more evidence to the contrary.

With the recent proliferation of drug testing experts on this forum, I'd love to hear some thoughts on these revelations and statistics.
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do u agree that using blood and urine is better than just urine?

Duck Dodgers · Feb 27, 2011

igotJUIC3 said: ↑

do u agree that using blood and urine is better than just urine?
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No. It's worse.

igotJUIC3 · Feb 27, 2011

Duck Dodgers said: ↑

No. It's worse.
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y is it worse?

just askin, im no expert at all but to me it seems like using both would be better than just using one of the two.

Duck Dodgers · Feb 27, 2011

igotJUIC3 said: ↑

y is it worse?

just askin, im no expert at all but to me it seems like using both would be better than just using one of the two.
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As of right now there's only 1 test that can be done using blood but not urine - HGH. The test has turned up a single positive in several thousands of samples, which means either:

- Athletes just aren't using HGH and we don't need to test for it anyway, or
- The test is so terribly inaccurate that its results are effectively meaningless

Obviously the latter is far more likely than the former. But is this really worth the hassle? Is it worth the discomfort? Of all the people I know, only one of them has ever told me he doesn't have any problem giving blood - my father. And I'm pretty sure he's full of **** and trying to be a tough guy.

I know, personally, I ****ing loathe it. For the sake of the specific boxing discussion that will certainly stem from this, I have tattoos as well. And if this makes me a *****, so be it. I'm in good company.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3225163

Professional athletes don't seem to like getting poked with needles either.

MrGlass · Feb 27, 2011

This will just get ignored by Floyd fan boys.

Urine is the best way to go, this has been proved with actual facts time and time again.

caneman · Feb 27, 2011

USADA follows WADA guidelines. Looks like they are following their inefficient ways as well. Seems to me the state boxing commissions have done a better job catching a higher percentage of cheats. There's been a couple last year like Chavez Jr.

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A BBC investigation has found that there are serious question marks over a key drug test just two weeks before the start of the Beijing Olympics. The BBC has seen indications that labs are classing positive tests for the blood-boosting drug EPO as negatives. Some samples have been described as suspicious - giving rise to fears that no action will be taken against cheats.

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I can assure you that if you were to take recombinant EPO and that would be in your urine - then, yes, we would detect it
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Dr Olivier Rabin, WADA

...In fact, the numbers of athletes being prosecuted for EPO use has declined significantly - by two-thirds between 2003 and 2006...

..."WADA is sitting on a mountain of positive EPO. They have these very strict rules, and declare that everything is working fine. But it's not working at all! You can more or less do whatever you like with EPO and you will not be charged...."

DobyZhee · Feb 27, 2011

look at what's stake between mayweather pac. of course the anti doper companies want their paws on it.

You know damn well they could care less about MMA since they make peanuts.

everyone's trying to profit on quite possibly the biggest fight of modern day time.

sidenote, Floyd DOES have the right to ask for a drug test. He doesn't have the right on who or when the tests have to be done and on what days. even up to the day of the fight.

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