Do you really want this s**t in boxing?

After testing thousands of athletes in 2004 Athens and 2008 Beijing Olympics, it was only last year that WADA caught an HGH user. And it he was caught not because of a successful blood test, but the guilty athlete confessed to using HGH right after it was announced he was called upon to do a random test.

 

Well I'm a bit indifferent on this issue, but I believe the significance of the statistics depend in large part on the proportions of unwitting consumption versus false positives and non-PED positive results. The former is qualitatively different from the latter two, particularly since one can always claim inadvertent use in response to a false positive. People sanctioned for unwitting consumption hardly provide Blackstone's formula reasons for avoiding improvements to drug testing.

Additionally, I am curious about your position that no evidence exists to suggest current drug testing protocol is insufficient. Half the Washington Post article is about the relative insufficiency of the more stringent USDA testing requirements at detecting cheats. Is it your view that use of PEDs is likely not occurring in boxing or simply that more elaborate testing procedures would have marginal benefits for undesirably high costs? Your words in the post above seem to imply the former, but the main takeaway I get from that article is that USDA testing is currently messy, inefficient, best at catching insignificant drug usage, and likely to allow many things to go undetected. To me that indicates the need for improved testing procedures (yes I realize that the science is always playing catch-up), but I would not use such inadequacies to also conclude that current boxing procedures are in fact sufficient.

 

I can't find detail of that but here's the articles about it. Sadly, after that guy was caught, he hung himself 9 months later.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...rough-prompts-human-growth-hormone-alert.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/sep/26/terry-newton-found-hanged-rugby

 

The WADA article I posted better explains it. The technology is there. It is the guidelines that WADA, and USADA, that are the problem. Many doctors feel they have too many inconclusive findings when all the needed evidence is there in front of them.

 

Articles about WADA like this one back in 2004 stating they've developed a test to detect HGH use 84 days prior and then state today that it's difficult to detect don't add to their credibility.

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"Tests carried out at an anti-doping laboratory in Athens will reveal if an athlete has taken the drug in the past 36 hours. The samples will then undergo a second analysis that will show if it has been taken up to 84 days before the Olympics."

 

Well that's interesting. That article however would seem to imply that WADA guidelines err on the side of caution for at least one PED, which would seem to undermine the witch-hunt point in the original article. Also, do you have a source for the claim that state boxing commissions might do a better job in this regard?

 

I'm just going by the news of how many boxers were busted as of late. I just compare that to the thousands of other athletes outside of boxing that were caught as of late. Since the reports are saying WADA's rate of catching cheats is around 1%, the state boxing commission seems to be doing it's fair share of busting cheats without USADA or WADA's help. Since state commissions don't use WADA guidelines, which doctors in the article claim allow too many obvious cheats to get away, they are more likey to declare a suspicious sample positive than WADA/USADA.

 

bump for the haters.

 

I dont know much about drug testing so i aint gonna pretend to be an expert or anything. From what ive been told you can get the same results from testing urine than blood and the main difference being that testing blood is so much cheaper than testing urine.

Whether or not this is true i dont know but that is what i heard when i asked some of my mates (who were doctors).

In all fairness i dont give a damn how they do it, someone needs to sit down and look at the evidence, decide which way is best, make a statement and stick to it. Then if anyone has a problem its tough ****. make the fight happen!!!!!

 

Marijuana is often used as a performance enhancer, contrary to what has been said here. It is used to avoid being too nervous, mostly. I have had athletes personally admit that to me and they also told me that it is quite common in their respective sports.

 

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Every dollar invested in to drug testing designed to deter PED use has been an utter waste. $50 million is a high price to pay when the only thing it buys is the belief of naive fans that cheating is reduced because of WADA.

It's not reduced. All it does in a best case scenario is alter which PED the athlete will use. Nothing more, nothing less. They have to test for drugs that aren't known to enhance performance otherwise their positive testing numbers would be so laughable that it'd be tougher for them to even show the slightest sign that they're accomplishing their mission.

It's a joke. I'm not sure why more people don't see that.

 

They all juice (in one way or another). All of them. Every god damn professional sports athlete. You guys have got to be real naive to think its not the case. They have a really cool card they play too. "Oh I didnt know what the nutritionist was giving me I swear!" Yeah fcking right. And I really dont give a ****. My view on here has always been to legalize and regulate steriods/HGH/whatever. They are the ones sacrificing their bodies for our entertainment. They know it and so do we. Nothing wrong with it either cause if you can make an extra cool million or two that is enough to support a generation or two. You wouldnt sacrifice some years off you life for your family? *****s please...

 

some very solid points in here on this topic.....:good