Larry holmes and george foreman

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by thegoldenera, Feb 27, 2011.


  1. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I definitely agree that a 1974 Ali would've beaten a prime Holmes,for the reasons that you state. Holmes had the tools to beat Foreman,but George could've knocked Larry out if he'd caught him right. Shavers had Larry on the verge of a ko,and George would've finished the job.
     
  2. techks

    techks ATG list Killah! Full Member

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    The first time I went in this thread I saw ads for the Foreman grill lol. They're not playing with trying to promote that already famous product.

    If Larry doesn't get seriously hurt I see him taking a decision. Even if he does, just as long as he makes it to the last rounds(assuming he does which isn't that slim of a chance) he should be able to beat Foreman. The only man that would win by kayo is George but Holmes can take huge punches as shown in his second Shavers fight and the Cooney fight.
     
  3. PowerPuncher

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    Holmes completely outboxes him
     
  4. Son of Gaul

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    1) What evidence do you have to suggest that Holmes was not as mentally strong as Ali?

    2) Again, what (unbiased)evidence do you have that Ali was more skilled or more intelligent? Besides movies and documentaries of course...
     
  5. Son of Gaul

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    No he didn't...rewatch the fight and you'll see that he was no closer to being KO'd than Ali was after the knockdown in FOTC.
     
  6. thegoldenera

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    yes and it would not be only a single right hand, foreman would hurt him and george would hit him again and again, he was much better finisher than shavers,much more durable, he had more heart,he was much bigger and stronger,with better jab too.
     
  7. thegoldenera

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    it is a fact and i have eyes..
     
  8. thegoldenera

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    the great difference is that ali was hurt by peak frazier and holmes was almost ko by earnie shavers... probably frazier would finish the job.
     
  9. Swarmer

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    Yeah, who has earnie shavers ever hurt right?
     
  10. Lobotomy

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    If Foreman was such a great finisher, he would have stopped Young after stunning Jimmy at the very outset of round seven. He had two minutes and forty seconds in which to close the deal, and failed miserably.
     
  11. mr. magoo

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    I think that a man who stopped 76 of 81 opponents, including a few elite fighters has fairly well proven finishing ability. I also think that its both fair and obvious to point out that Foreman's whole game and rythym was off on the day he faced one of the most difficult men to finish in history.
     
  12. thegoldenera

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    george foreman was not in a good moment mentally post zaire. maybe you can fight depressed.... and still foreman did show great heart and great mental force against lyle. he wanted to show that he might go to the distance against young. . george foreman was always a great finisher. and when he did hurt anyone seriously he stoped him.
    a peak foreman 73-74 could pretty well stop a peak holmes.
     
  13. Lobotomy

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    It took Tyson 45 seconds to finally deliver the finisher on a rusty and misfiring 38 year old Holmes. Larry came within five seconds of surviving the round, and may well have succeeded if his right arm did not get caught under the ropes when attempting an uppercut. Even by today's pussified standards of skittish and paranoid referees, a rational case cannot be made that Holmes-Shavers II could have been reasonably stopped after Larry got up from that knockdown and immediately walked it off. As a peak Tyson discovered, Holmes was not a stationary target when hurt even then. At peak himself, Larry would have been clinching, moving, dodging and covering up effectively if hurt, just as Young did, and just as he himself could. The peak 73-74 Foreman had the fortune of fighting a Frazier and Norton who did not share the survival skills or mobility of an Ali, Young and Holmes, stylists who could tangle him up to buy time and wear him down.

    Five months before Young, Foreman had seemingly solved the problem of coping with a tall mobile cutie when he handed Denis his first defeat in four rounds, but Dino didn't have those kind of smarts and survival skills, and was stationary as it drew to a close, covering up without trying to neutralize George's arms at the end.
     
  14. mr. magoo

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    All of these things are true and precisely the reasons why most logical fans would pick Holmes to beat Foreman.. As one of these fans myself, I also think that there is another side to the equation. Muhammad Ali was more subject to getting decked and hurt by left hookers as opposed to right handed bombers, and yet he still paid dearly by taking many huge blows to the head to win that fight. Young defeated Foreman legitimately as well, but also took some huge shots in the process while facing an ill-prepared Foreman, who opted to ignore Gil Clancy's instructions both in preparation and during the fight. From 1973-1974, a hungry, well trained and fully motivated Foreman, could have given fits to right hand-prone Holmes, who proved vulnerable even against men who were several notches below Foreman in both punching ability and overall talent.. Renaldo Snipes, Tim Witherspoon and Mike Weaver all their moments against Holmes, and unlike Shavers who did his best work with one hand, Foreman was dangerous with both..

    Now, to conclude, Holmes would have my strong vote to outpoint George and perhaps even stop him late.. But, this would not be a one sided boxing clinic on the part of Holmes. If he really wanted the win ( and I have no doubts that he would ), he'd have to pay for it by waging in all out warfare and take his fair share of licks in the process. George Foreman, in prime or in old age, is not easy task for anyone...
     
  15. Stevie G

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    Okay,you could be right here,but Holmes was definitely badly shaken.