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Yeah, Haye's anus

 

You should care. If you really care about being neutral, or being objective, then it is a very important question.

You go on to ask about the geography of the Klit fans. This means that you know that the geography is important. Why? Because it shows what biases people have. It's an undeniable part of human nature, and it is exceptionally obvious on this website.

The huge majority of Haye fans and those who either dislike the Klitschkos or who dislike their fans are from the UK. Why is this? Is it just a fluke that the people from the UK are the only ones who are perceptive enough to be correct about the nature of the Haye, the Klits and their fans?

No. Such a proposition is so clearly stupid that it can be immediately dismissed. The reason for it is bias, and comfirmation bias.

Let's put it another way. If you have a basic understanding of human psychology, then how would you expect people to post on this forum? Would you expect a lot of pro-Haye, and anti-Klit and anti-Klit fan posts from people from the UK? Yes, absolutely.
Would you expect the 'reasoning' they give for their position to stand up to logical scrutiny? Of course not. Confirmation bias is a *****, and makes people say really stupid things. I can show you studies where MRI machines have shown, visually, that the analytical parts of the brains are bypassed entirely by people who are partisan. It happens to you, me, and everyone.

The thing that you need to do is to understand that this is happening to you without you knowing. I freely admit that I don't like David Haye. You just have to look at my posts and it would be clear that I don't like Haye, and it would be stupid to say otherwise. That means that I am aware I must have confirmation bias, and I adjust my position accordingly.
So when Wlad signs with Chisora, and Haye fans say that this has killed the fight, I say it may have done so, and that would be Wlad's responsibility. I however ask logical questions to see what the truth is, such as what type of contacts Haye actually needs by when (questions which rabid Haye fans couldn't answer but attacked me for even asking - despite it now looking like the fight will go ahead...)

Now the next big step is for you to understand that you are a Haye fan. If you look at your post history you will find a lot of defending Haye and attacking the Klits and their fans.
I know your justification for this. Like I said, I can link you to studies which visually show how this rationalisation occurs in the brain, and it is not a logical process. "It is all the horrible Klit fan's fault, I'm totally objective". It just isn't true.

You talk about being neutral, and it seems like you value that idea. That's a good thing.
Why not take a step towards actually achieving that as a goal? Logically, you must understand that you have these biases that you cannot see. So logically, you would have to mentally compensate for this. It means shifting your thinking, but it's the only way.

 

I really tried, but there's no way i'm reading all that drivel.

 

Well then quit pretending that you actually care about being neutral on any topics.

 

I think you have entirely missed the point of Shaunster's post. It is not a 'counterpost' to just slate Haye when Shaunster was commenting on the fact that the extreme end of Klitschko supporters will more often than not label others as Klit haters or Haye lovers without any real consideration of the content of the post. The thing which Shaunster listed as comments which had attracted abuse from Klit fans was perfectly reasonable (and had absolutely nothing to do with Haye).

e.g:

Haye does not have the right to dictate anyone's fights, but Shaunster was correct in saying that Wlad signing to fight Chisora jeopardised a potential fight with Haye. That's nothing to do with Haye, so why mention him?

What does Haye's competition have to do with anything Wlad has done? Wlad has a far better resume, that's barely debateable, but Shaunster wasn't commenting on Haye's. You seem think you have something to counter here, but there isn't. Shaunster was labelled a hater for critising Wlad's resume relative to the larger picture of boxing history.

There aren't as many boxing fans in the UK as there were PPV buys, that was as a result of a huge number of general sports fans getting duped into thinking it was worth watching.

 

You're playing to the gallery and I have no intention of being your co-star.

 

im not nuetral,but i do try to be objective in terms of whos done what with making or breaking the fighs getting made.and im a boxing fan,above being from this or that country.nation of boxing fan,i prefer some fighters who arent from UK.i mean i want winky wright to beat macklin,cuz i want winky to carry on,and i think he gives martinez a good fight. one of examples when my boxing fan preference goes above patriotism.

of course i respect the klitschkos for being athletes and they obviously have power and skills to possibly beat haye,as does haye to beat them,otherwise this fight would not be popular would it!.

 

If only Haye himself had the confidence some of you have in him.

 

No, Wlad Haye first, please!

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I know its stupid, i like some British fighters and get behind them but i dislike even more than i like, and i hate that its lumped in as British, as a Scot i have no natural reason to want an English fighter (Haye) to defeat a Ukrainian fighter (just for example) but i do because i just prefer Haye as a fighter, been a fan since before he mentioned the Klits, and have never liked the Klits style or fights anyway.

My favourite current active fighter is JMM and i'd want him to beat any current English or Scottish fighter, like Khan for example which was mentioned as a possibility a wee while back and i dont mind Khan.

 

No, it was directed at you, and you only. Perhaps more suited for PM. But this post I am responding to is more demonstration that your judgement on pretty much everything is just woeful.

Whatever, I'm just going to put you on my ignore list. Your posts and attacks have gotten worse and worse, and I don't particularly want to see how far down you go.
What I have said is aimed at helping you be the better poster you claim to want to be. Your immediate dismissal shows just how serious you are about that.

 

You're right. It was actually rude to dismiss your post like that when you've put that much effort into writing it. I apologise.

But look mate, I think you're over complicating a very simple issue. If I had any intention of getting into an academic debate with you I'd have to go and dig out my university notes out

Why would I want people to be neutral on here. This place would be **** is posters did not have their favourite fighters to discuss and root for. There would be no point in the forum if everything was so black and white with no sentiment involved.

However, what is **** is when a group of fan's perception of their fighter is so far removed from reality that it makes any real discussion impossible. When a fan's emotional attachment to their guy leads them to completely disregard actual facts or logical thinking, and they become obsessive with name calling and mocking of their fighter's rival - that is the problem.

People are always going interpret information in a way that reflects best on their guy, that's what causes good debate. You can't debate when someone blindly ignores facts or counters valid points with childish name calling. If you're not able to read an opinion that differs to your own without having to sending it's author an aggressive message then that's not conducive to good discussion.

That's my problem. If you really feel that it's necessary to analyse that to the extent you did then fair enough, but I don't. I come on here in my spare time to post about boxing and have a bit of a laugh - I find it hard to chat boxing when the when the things described above are going on, and I've no real interest in spending my spare time going back and fourth like this with you.

Thank you. That was the point I was trying to make, I really don't understand those kind of replies. Guess it just reinforces my point

 

Why should he care? If he's British and impartial, who gives a **** what the non-impartial people say? It has no importance what the majority think. You're Australian and the majority of Australian's went over the top for Tszyu and go over the top for Green or even Mundine, despite him being hated. Who cares though? Bias is common in boxing whether you're aware of it or not. To some extent, you will be biased towards Australian fighters and you can go to any thread and read American's being biased towards American's, Mexican's being biased towards Mexican's, Canadian's being biased towards Canadian's and so on. It means nothing.

On the other hand, if you go onto the British forum, you'll read lots of people who are against Haye. Honestly, I'd imagine it's around 50/50, so whilst there are lots of people who defend him, you should acknowledge a lot don't.

 

Oi, you quoted me and didn't comment on it directly, I'm going to have to add you to my list of Klit haters, that kind of behaviour is as symptomatic of loving Haye as any I have seen!

 

Sorry - was preoccupied with my other post - I've gone back and edited it now. It was quoted for truth!

 

I apologize for disrupting this spectacular theatre of war it's just that...I'd like to come back to the inital thread message and ask what's going on with Haye - Wlad.